Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List - March 2001

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The following are the archives of the Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List, sponsored by Alden and Cali Hackmann of Olympic Musical Instruments.



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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:05:43 +0100 (CET)
From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_>
Subject: [HG] Earthquake  in Seattle

Hi list

I'd like to know if all of my friends in Seattle area
are safe.

It's  8.00 a.m. here now , I've just heard about the
heartquake and I'm worried about it.

All my best

Marcello Bono

my hurdy-gurdy page is

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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:01:03 -0000
From: graham <graham _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Clean and Pure sounding notes 

Dear John,

I now remember that you can test the hypothesis of  "nuts too high" as

Cotton the string level.

With the keybox lid open play the offending note.

Get someone else to press the string down BEHIND the tangent.

If the nut is too high you should hear an immediate improvement.

The extent of string movement will give you a good indication of the
magnitude of nut adjustment required.

Do let us know how you get on.

Graham Whyte

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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:48:43 EST
From: JPeekstok _at_
Subject: Re: [HG] Earthquake .

In a message dated 2/28/01 8:40:33 PM, boite _at_ writes:

>Is it because of the music instruments that produced
>counter harmonics that protected the house ?<g>

I was afraid that the earthquake was caused by all the drone harmonics from 
the ever-growing cadre of Puget Sound gurdyists . . . .


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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:23:09 -0500
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Earthquake .

the earth spins, is round, and buzzes.

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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:09:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Earthquake .

I'm glad we have this resource, my was reaching for
the phone nd realized that you probably have enough on
your hands. Glad to hear from everyone so far...

--- Henry Boucher <boite _at_> wrote:
>  Is it because of the music instruments that
> produced
> counter harmonics that protected the house ?<g>

It may have been the "counter" harmonics that were
protecting the city. I've never heard of "hook"
harmonics, now we know why!<g>

Roy T.

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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:47:59 -0800
From: jjandr _at_
Subject: Re: [HG] Earthquake  in Seattle

Thanks for your concern, Marcello and everyone else.  This quake lasted a
bit longer than most I've been in, but it really wasn't as bad as all the
news people make out.  All the hurdy gurdies, other instruments, people and
animals safe and sound here.  Just a little clean up with a few things that
went flying, and picture straightening, but nothing broken at my house.  :-)

Katie had a little breakage at her house, but very minor.  She will be very
busy cleaning up at her work for the next few days, though.  She says it's
quite a mess there.


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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:21:36 -0800
From: Debra Dawson <goodthym _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] New Member

Hello AJ.  I read your dilemna, about not having a HG to touch and 
explore, and RT's comment about being on the West Coast gives you 
chances to come to festivals.  I can suggest that if you come to the 
French and Breton music festival in  late June in Mendocino, you will 
be surrounded by the ornery things, and get more than an earful. You 
risk getting seriously hooked, and even to go away with one, since 
they do get traded sometimes.  Take a look at the festival website at   We'd love to turn you on, and have you join 
the family.     Deb
Creative Blends for Innovative Cooking

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Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 22:42:20 +0100
From: Nagy Bala'zs <taltos _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] "Szerenyi Bela"

Szerényi Bela
mailto:tekero _at_

At 12:52 2001.02.28. -0800, you wrote:
>Hello List,
>I try to send an email to Szérény Béla, but he not
>reply to me. How can I contact him ? Unfortunately I
>don't speek Hungarian and I cannot telephone !
>Ciao, Chiara

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Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 22:27:36 +0100
From: "Nagy Bala'zs" <taltos _at_>
Subject: ...a new member from europa!

Hi list !

I'm a new reader on this list, I try understand your letters :-)
I live in Hungary, in Budapest, and I make and play hurdy-gurdy(tekero) and
some hungarian folkinstruments.
I play folkmusic and medieval music with my band.
I can help to somebady, who intresting about hungarian music and instruments.

Best regards Balazs

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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:14:17 -0500
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_>
Subject: ...a new member from europa!

To whom it may concern. I wish to say that Balasz is very nice. I know him a
little. This is jim winters. He has a nice web page and is a very nice
person doing cool things there. Tekero is a very nice instrument.

Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:41:48 -0700
From: arle lommel <fenevad _at_>
Subject: [HG] HG for children


my one-year old daughter is fascinated by my tekerõ and loves to push 
the keys, take off the wheel cover and turn the crank. While she is 
too young to play HG I suspect that she will want to play one herself 
sometime within the next year. My tekerõ is far too large for her to 
play any time in the next eight or nine years, so I am wondering what 
sorts of options there are for small children to play HG.

Does anyone make child-sized instruments?

Ideally such an instrument would be a basic full-featured instrument 
(i.e., have a bass and a tenor drone and a dog, but not have multiple 
chanter strings or dogs--just like the basic tekerõ), but would be 
half to two-thirds the size of an adult instrument.

I would also consider it acceptable for the instrument to be diatonic 
for a small child (and might consider removing the chromatics on an 
instrument that came with chromatic keys until she was a little 
older). An additional desirable feature would be if the body had a 
*very* durable finish and perhaps even were edged with plastic to 
keep her from gouging the edges.

Does anyone have any suggestions on where to find such an instrument?

I think that I would initially remove the drones so that she could 
start with just the chanter and later add the other strings (and the 
dog) when she is old enough to understand tuning and care for the 
more complex instrument.

Also, does have anyone have any comments on having or not having 
chromatic keyboards or whether or not to include the drones for small 
children? I have never taught HG to anyone before, so those with 
experience might say that I am taking the wrong tack.


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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:50:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] HG for children

Our Minstrel Model was originally designed for small children.  The scale
length is the same as our larger models (though has been shorter in the
past).  The body is narrower, so a child can strap it on a play in the
usual position.  It has 3 strings: 1 chanter (chromatic) and 2 drones,
with a trompette.  In short, everything you need to learn, in a smaller

We haven't done the plastic edging thing, but could without much
difficulty I think.

Alden F.M. Hackmann                        darkstar _at_
"Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae."

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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 02:06:56 +0100
From: Burkhard Müller <BurkhardMueller _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] HG for children


i heard that Helmut Gotschy, a famous hurdy-builder in Germany produces also
hurdy-gurdys for children. You can reach him at his homepage:

His instruments for adults are excellent ...


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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:48:05 +0100
From: Jaime Bandrés <j.bandresl _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] HG for children

Alden, could you tell us somthing about prices of your Minstrel Model?

Jaime Bandrés

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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:20:42 +0100 (MET)
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_>
Subject: [HG] hurdy-gurdy workshop 9.-11.March 2001 Kremsmuenster


I want to announce that for the hurdy-gurdy workshop I do from 9. to
11.March 2001 in Kremsmuenster/Austria (Oberoesterreich) there is still space for
one more student. So if someone wants to participate, call me:

+43[0] 1.913 0189 or 
+43[0] 676.74 2 66 00

(in the moment there are five students: E.Kainzmeier, G.Moetzl, B.Richrath,
D.Senk, L.Szabo)

Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria

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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:11:20 -0800
From: Christina Wright <ccwright _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Earthquake  in Seattle

Dear List,
	While I don't make hurdy gurdies, I do live in Seattle.  It 
was not an enjoyable experience, an earthquake, and only now, nearly 
a week later, do I begin to realize that we're all still shaking, 
just a little.  It's one the divine wake-up experiences, knowing that 
terra firma ain't.

	Thanks for all your concerns.


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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:10:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] HG for children

Jaime said:

> Alden, could you tell us somthing about prices of your Minstrel Model?

The base price is $990, though almost everyone gets the extended keyboard
(2 octaves) for $1065.  There are a lot of other options which I haven't
gotten onto the website yet ;-( including building it as the Marcello
Bono Signature Model, as we built one for Marcello.

Please contact me if you need more information.


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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:39:28 -0800
From: jjandr _at_
Subject: Re: [HG] HG for children

Arle,  Since it seems to be the sound of the drone that attracts so many
children, I would suggest that you leave at least one on the instrument.
Also, since for most of us coming to the hurdy gurdy, not as children, the
most difficult part to learn is the dog technique because it has no
equivalent on other instruments, it could be a great advantage to a child to
learn it at a young age.  If your daughter is a "careful" sort, you may want
to consider leaving the trompette and dog on as well.

The Minstrels made by Cali and Alden are very durable and low maintenance.
Mine stays in tune very well and is not tempermental.  It's easy to reach
all the strings (all 3..) for cottoning.  A child (or anyone else) would
have a great experience playing one.  Mine is one of their very early ones
with the smaller body and keys.  Since your daughter is small you may want
to look for an older one to buy, or possibly Alden and Cali would be willing
to build you one by the original plans since it would accomodate smaller

Alden can tell you the story about the Minstrel that had a bucket of water
dumped on it and survived with no damage.  Mine had a ceramic rommelpot
accidently dropped on it while on stage, and shows no damage.  They look
like beautiful crafted works of art (they are...) but they are also built
like tanks.  ;-)


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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:36:07 -0500
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_>
Subject: [HG] Re: claude flagel

May I ask about Claude Flagel? He seems excellent on his album.
What has happened after his album in 1973?
I wonder why he was not on the AMTA CD that has all the famous and best
traditional players
from the earlier 20th century, that one, La Vielle en France.
thank you for more background,

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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 02:12:16 EST
From: Maxoubbn _at_
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: claude flagel

Hello !

Claude Flagel is living in Bruxelles (Belgium), and producing CD's , mainly 
ethnic music. He is interested in music from Africa, and east Europa. His CD 
company is named "Fonti musicali", 33, rue jean d'Ardennes, B 1050 Bruxelles, 
<fonti.musicali _at_>
He is collecting instruments, and has several HG of interest...
Few years ago, he played for the 20 th Saint Chartier festival : he plays 
baroque HG, and music from the french revolution (he made a CD dances from 
XVIII th century).
He is studying old music manuscripts from fiddle players of France and 

He is a busy and interesting man !

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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:40:33 +0100 (CET)
From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: claude flagel

--- zhenya <zhenya _at_> ha scritto:
 > May I ask about Claude Flagel? 
> What has happened after his album in 1973?

For sure he played on several Conrad Steinmann CDs.
Just today I have some CDs in my backpack (if you like
to work ALONE you just have to play HG music in to the
office :o) and one of these is  a CLAVES CD 50 8302 by
Steinmann ensemble, and Flagel plays several parts of
Chedeville's "saisons amusantes". It's a 1989 CD.

At home I should have several Flagel recordings made
after 1973, probably I listed some in my my webpage
(only ancient and baroque recordings).


Marcello Bono

my hurdy-gurdy page is

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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:12:17 -0800
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_>
Subject: [HG] Claude Flagel

  Claude Flagel taught hurdy-gurdy making to Yves Steinmetz back
in Belgium , to my knowledge Yves Steinmetz  was the first HG maker
in Québec maybe the first on the east coast of N.America.

  How did it syart of the west coast ?

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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:51:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_>
Subject: [HG] Administrivia - Viruses

Dear HG list,

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No Attachments Policy.  Please do not send attachments of any kind to the
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If you receive email with an attachment from the list, you should delete
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Alden F.M. Hackmann                        darkstar _at_
"Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae."

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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:44:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_>
Subject: [HG] List Archivist Wanted - Apply Within

As you all may notice from the somewhat lackluster schedule on which I
post the list archives, I'm a trifle busy, with no end in sight. (I'm
sanding as fast as I can, Judith! ;-) ) Consequently I am searching for
someone to volunteer to be a List Archivist.

The job entails keeping all the posts for a month, putting them in a text
file, editing out the extraneous bits, putting in some seperators, making
it HTML-compatible, and emailing it to me.  If this sounds like a job
you'd enjoy, please email me off list and I'll go over the specifics with
you.  If there are more volunteers than openings (ie more than one of you)
I'll put you on some kind of rotation.

Thanks for your help,

Alden the Grateful Listmaster

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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:37:20 +0100
From: Petra Kuehmichel <Petra.Kuehmichel _at_>
Subject: [HG] new member

Hi HG -lovers and -players,

I´m member of the HG mailing-list since a few days. So, now it´s time to
introduce myself as others do so too.
I´m a german HG player since about 10 years and teacher since about 3 years.
I don´t know the exact date since in the beginning I haven´t been playing
very much, for my first instrument was nearly not playable at all (CAMAC
Bausatz) The wheel was much too large, nearly everything broke when you
tried to use it.
So I was very happy after having bought my first "real" HG built by Denis
Siorat (France). It´s an electroacoustic instrument for I like to play
contemporan music on the HG.
I´ve been playing and performing with "Ensemble Surradial" (german
viellistic orchestra: a combination of music (from Mussorgsky to Alan
Parson´s Project), dance and surrealistic theatre), Allrradantrieb (modern
folk dance), Flight (worldmusic) and Tre Lire Barocco ( Baroque music for
two to three HGs and solobass).
For the baroque music I use a HG built by Wolfgang Weichselbaumer (Vienna):
a reconstruction of a Louvet, which I love very much, too.
I studied pedagogics of music as a recorder player. So I find a lot of
baroque HG- music published for the recorder.
For my master of arts I wrote about bagpipes in the late medieval age.
So, that´s enough about me.
I think it´s fine, exchanging yourself with other players of this
fascinating instrument.
In Germany  we started a webpage with informatins around the HG: Maybe someone is interested in it or would like to give his
informantions to the webpagemaster.

Good turn
Petra Kühmichel, M.A.

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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:37:22 +0100
From: Petra Kuehmichel <Petra.Kuehmichel _at_>
Subject: [HG] HG for children


I also made the experience that children are fascinated by the bordun. So. I
started to ask HG builders about instruments for children. In some areas of
France it seems to be quite usual or at least not really as unusual as in
our areas, that children play this instrument.
So I saw quite nice HGs for children in Denis Siorats ateliers. I suppose
other french HG builders (luthiers) should have Instruments for children
Everything is smaller just like you do with violins or guitars, too.

Petra Kühmichel, M.A.

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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:29:19 +0100
From: Ingo <Sagariha _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hiroshi, moodern Strings, nwe HG


I'm using the resin-solution now for about a year on my gurdy. It seems to
last longer than the dry,
solid resin.
I apply it with cotton-wool ("Watte" in German): a few drops on the wool an
than spin the wheel, and
apply the resin... (It takes a bit to find the right strength of the
solution, but adjusted right
there is no need for sandpaper and other harsh methods.) It's just perfect
to play. Michael Loibner
from "Deishovida" (Austria) uses this method for quickly applying new resin.
As the solution is YERY sticky it is good to handle in a small bottle as
it's used for eye-drops with
a glass-pipette to apply per-drop...

I. Sparr

 Ingo Sparr
-Deutsche Lebensart-

Ziegelbusch 1     Wilhelmshavener-27
64354 Reinheim    10551 Berlin
06162 / 2311   030 / 398 78 915

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Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:17:31 +0100
From: Petra Kuehmichel <Petra.Kuehmichel _at_>
Subject: [HG] resin solution


I found resin solution too strong on a wooden wheel. On my Siorat I just use
it on the cotton, so that I can turn the wheel forward and backwards while
playing (shake and so on). But on my Weichselbaumer HG which has a wheel
made from plastic I use it on the wheel. I don´t have to put some of the
resin off afterwards. I just apply it and play. Matthias Loibner has got a
plastic wheel, too.


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Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:17:44 -0500
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_>
Subject: [HG] FW: Tibor Koblicek

:Hi, all:
:I just received this e-mail.  Tibor is the maker of my ninera
:(Slovakian hurdy gurdy)and if you visit the page you'll see more
:about him and some photos of his nineras.  While the page is in
:the Slovak language, I think Jan Vician speaks English and could
:answer your questions.
:-----Original Message-----
:From: Ján Vician [mailto:jan.vician _at_]
:Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 7:50 AM
:To: judith _at_
:Subject: Tibor Koblicek
:Dear Judith,
:I found your web site about my uncle Tibor Koblicek. If you
:have interest to more information about Tibor,
:please visit my personal page dedicated to Tibor Koblicek.
:(sorry but more info are in slovak language)
:              Jano Vician, from POPRAD, High Tatras

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 09:23:36 +0100
From: Helmut Gotschy <Helmut.Gotschy _at_>
Subject: [HG] new member

Hello together,

I joined the HG-mailing list about two weeks ago and find it a very good place 
to change informations about th HG, thanks to Alden and the crew for that!!

I would like to introduce myself. 

My name is Helmut Gotschy and I'm a German hurdy-gurdy maker as some of you 
might know. I first saw the HG in 1977 in Freiburg in the Black Forest and this 
meeting changed my whole life. 

Waiting for a place to learn how to make classical guitars I immediately changed 
my mind, and my aim from this moment was to build HG s. (I did my examination as 
a guitar maker anyway in 1984.) My first teacher in historical instrument making 
was Bob Lundberg, a famous luthier from Portland, Oregon. He showed me how to 
make a lute body and how to handle with historical instruments and work after 
paintings and drawings. This was in 1979. At this time I made a lot of 
dulcimers and later on medevial fiddles, lutes, bouzukies, guitars and... of 
course hurdy-gurdies. 

Since about 1993 I make only hurdy-gurdies. You can see my works at my website

I would like to go into the discussion about clean sounds:

It sometimes happens, that the string, especially plain gut strings are damaged, 
even when they are brandnew. 

One time it happened to me that I put on a new string and the problems (wrong 
octave, really funny fifth, and a "gargling" sound at all) were much worse than 
before. I checked the saddle nuts, cotton, rosin, angle of the wheel, distance 
to the bridge, tangents, pressure... no chance to get a clean sound. Just before 
I threw the bitch out of the window (I would have done it if it was mine), I 
changed the melody string (gut with 0.90mm for a g) again and anything was 
perfect. Gut remains gut!!

Another problem can be that the tangent touches the key  at the lower side where 
you can move it, (not where pin is in the hole). Some say (Destrem/Heidemann) 
the tangent has to touch the key there, but I do not agree. 

When the string presses the tangent a little bit backwards, it can vibrate there 
and cause a sort of feedback what sounds like a ringing. When you have tangents 
like that, touch it with your left thumb and it should stop ringing. You also 
can put a thin rubber band with tension around the two tangents at the same 
key (when you have) and it should sound better too. Since I know about this 
problems, I cut an angle from the pin upwards that the tangent doesn't touch the 
key anymore exept in the hole. The gurdies sound better. Since a while I preffer 
screwed tangents, it sounds much better since. ( It took a while until I got 
used to the screws.

Sometimes it also helps just to use some tangents from another key and change 
them, -don't know why...

So, thats what I knew about it, maybe it helps...

Last but not least a HG joke:

Why can't you play an AN DRO on a HG? :-((
The crank would loosen! :-))

Bye bye

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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:36:45 -0500
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] new member

if you do throw one of her out the window, I wish to be so ready down on the
street to catch.
welcome. wecome. welcome.
Maine, USA

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:36:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] new member

Dear Helmut,

Welcome to the list!  We enjoyed your book very much, and I look forward
to conversations with you about building HG's.

You mentioned studying with lutebuilder Robert Lundberg.  I am very sad to
say that Robert passed away in Portland last week after a long series of
illnesses.  He will be sorely missed by the lutherie community.

Alden F.M. Hackmann                        darkstar _at_
"Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae."

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:25:52 +0100
From: Helmut Gotschy <Helmut.Gotschy _at_>
Subject: Re:  [HG] new member

Hi Alden,

thanks for yor message, I'm very very sad to hear about bobs dead! He gave
me so much. He was my pole starsince ages.


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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:10:37 -1000
From: Don V. Lax <donvlax _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] new member

Hi Helmut and welcome-

Strange to say, I knew Bob Lundberg, as I lived in Portland and Eugene, OR
in the 70's.


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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:02:59 +0100
From: <thomas _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] new member 

Hallo Helmut - Hi  Helmut!

It is nice to find you here at the list. Welcome!

Most of the time I am just reading what the others are writing, but of
course I must say hello to the men who build of of my HGs and a very nice
dulcimer too.
Funny thing that more and more german speaking HG-Manics are on this list
writing in english (or something we believe it is english;-)).

By the way: If you want to hear my "Gotschy-HG": .
It's a famous german folksong we arranged for children-concerts.

All the best,



Alte Musik Salzburg Austria
eMail: thomas _at_

Thomas M. Schallaböck
Erzabt-Klotz-Strasse 27
A - 5020 Salzburg
Tel & Fax: 00 43 / 662 / 831 002
Mobil: 0043 / 664 / 33 78 522

Kaltenhauser Mittelalter 16.6.2001
Österreichs größtes Mittelalterfest
südlich der Stadt Salzburg

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:56:30 -0500
From: Ken and Judy Sarkozy <sarkozykal _at_>
Subject: [HG] Question for HG builders

I seem to remember this issue being addressed at sometime in the past,
though I'm not sure it was in this forum. But knowing the expertise that
resides here, and the willingness of the participants to help out, I'll post
my question: 

A dark wood is glued down next to a light wood, then both are sanded,
resulting in dark sanding dust staining the light wood. Is there a way or
ways to clean up the smudged light wood? Thanks in advance,

Ken Sarkozy
Kalamazoo, MI 

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:20:31 -0800
From: SW/JW <duodrone _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Question for HG builders

There must be many ways, but using a cabinet scraper instead of sandpaper
works really well. This does a good cleanup job too when the damage has
been done.


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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:34:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Question for HG builders

Well, I hope someone has better news for you than I do.  In my experience
if you have sanded down to fine grit, say 220 or greater, some of the
darkwood particles are going to lodge in the light wood.  The only way I
have gotten them out is by thorough vacuuming and then using tack cloth
and that probably won't get everything.  If I am going to do this I
usually seal the light wood well first and then carefully sand or scrape
down.  Scraping is the best solution if it is possible as you will be less
likely to contaminate the light wood.

Cali Hackmann
Olympic Musical Instruments

Alden F.M. Hackmann                        darkstar _at_
"Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae."

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:47:08 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_>
Subject: [HG] HG Workshop

Just a reminder, Maxou has graciously consented to come to the U.S. and do
a workshop in the Seattle area April 27-29th.  This is a small workshop
held in the Wallingford District of Seattle.  There are places to eat and
stay within walking distance.  The cost of the workshop is $120.  This is a
great opportunity especially if going to France isn't an option for you or
even if it is!  We have only a couple of places available.  For more
information contact either myself or Joanne Andrus.  

Cali Hackmann - hurdy _at_

Joanne - jjandr _at_

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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:18:21 -0300 (ART)
From: marcos kaiser mori <kaisermori _at_>
Subject: [HG] Re:_re-nyenyere_és_heverészés

  Hi, list, Arle, Judit and Laszlo:
 Sorry. Your messages were posted a month ago. It is
very difficult to use the net here.
  That is the hungarian song about the nyenyere. It is
a popular song, and I am looking for some recording.

> Volt egy öreg nyenyerész/ki mindíg csak
> nyenyerész/heverész vagy
> heverészik/így is, úgy is nyenyerészik/ó-ó-óoo-oó//
> nincsen neki
> egyebe/nyenyere a kenyere/ázsiából hozta még/ezt a
> szerény hangszerét/ó...//
> ...(itt nem tudok valamit, de benne van az hogy
> 'kert alá', meg az hogy
> 'magos füszál hangos végit'. )És a vége az hogy
> '...heverészek,/ s hallgatom
> hogy nyenyerésznek/ ó-ó-óoo-oó.

  Sorry if I'm translating so badly, but my native
language is portuguese...
  There was an old nyenyere-player(nyenyeresz)
  laying down , doing nothing
  nyenyering( like playing)
  He has no other instrument
  His instrument was his bread/life
  He brought from Asia this poor instrument

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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:07:16 -0800
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_>
Subject: [HG] Vancover concert with Pierre Imbert

 If you are going to be near Vancover Canada in April, you might want to
attend this concert.

The Vancouver World Music Collective presents<?xml:namespace prefix = o
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"Three Passionate Men from Three Passionate Cultures"


Riccardo Tesi - Diatonic accordion "diavolo" from Pistoia,Italy

Celso Machado - Sensational guitarist and percussionist from Brazil

Pierre Imbert - Master hurdy-gurdy "charmer" from Lyon, France, appearing
with his "Mediterraneo" combo Cordes en Folie.

These 3 top world musicians come together for one exceptional concert

April 14 (Easter weekend) at 8:00 pm at the Vancouver East Cultural

Riccardo Tesi: composer, researcher, instrumentalist, pioneer of world
music in Italy; known mostly for his work with Sardinian-Tuscany group,
Ritmia, Italian singer-songwriter Fabrizio di Andrè, and his recent work
with Banditaliana.

Celso Machado: considered one ot the most versatile and exciting
musician/composers of Brazilian music today; bringing joy to audiences
throughout Brazil, Western Europe and Canada for over thirty years.

Pierre Imbert: leader in the realm of electro-acoustic hurdy-gurdy and
new music for the past twenty years; his distinctive sound and innovative
style is recognizable in his work with French group Lo Jai, Ad Vielle Que
Pourra, Loreena McKennit and more recently with Cordes en Folie. This hot
Vancouver trio also features André Thibault (flamenco guitar, oud), and
Steve Lazin (drums).

Passiòne, Paixão, Passion!  

VECC - 1895 Venables Street.

Saturday April 14 - 8:00 pm

Tickets: $25/22 (plus applicable service charges)

available at Ticketmaster 280-3311,

Black Swan, Highlife Records, Rufus Guitars and Virgin Megastore


This concert is produced in conjunction with The Rogue Folk Club,

The Vancouver Folk Music Festival and the Vancouver Sun Community Concert
Series and in association with the Italian Cultural Institute.

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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:00:22 +0000
From: Friederike Gunzel <f.gunzel _at_>
Subject: [HG] Hurygurdies in London?

Dear all,

I just joined the mailing list.
I started playing the Hurdygurdy nearly three years ago. This January I 
moved to London, and now I'm looking for somebody to play with, especially 
Renaissance, Baroque and Folk music. Any Suggestions?


Dr. Friederike Gunzel
T.H. Huxley School of Environment, Earth Sciences and Engineering
Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine
Royal School of Mines, Prince Consort Road, London, SW7 2BP
Tel:    +44 (0) 20 - 759 47470
Fax:   +44 (0) 20 - 759 47444
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:24:53 -0800
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_>
Subject: [HG] Fw: A question about Hurdy Gurdy

This was posted on the  newsgroup.

Maybe some of you might be interested in helping her out and at the same
time update some material for our group too.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan L. D'Andrea" <jeepstr42 _at_>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: A question about Hurdy Gurdy

> I am searching for music written specifically for Hurdy Gurdy in the
> Baroque and/or Renaissance periods.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> I am trying to make a definitive list for an emerging web site I want to
> produce.   If all works well, the site will include a monthly newsletter
> links to sites dealing with the instrument, its music, music adapted for
> instrument, composers and so forth.  I am  searching  many of the sites
> where materials, instruments are listed.  The Earlym-L has been a
> source of information on other topics in the past.  I hope some of you
> take the time to submit ideas for my research.
> Thank you ahead of time,
> Joan D'Andrea

this is the only reply she has recevied so far......
There's a set of six sonatas published in about 1737 in France under the
composer name of Vivaldi and bearing the title "Il Pastor Fido". The
publisher was Jean-Noel Marchand, and the cobbling-together of individual
movements by Vivaldi may have been done by Nicholas Chedeville. The sonatas
were listed as being suitable for flute, oboe, recorder, violin,
hurdy-gurdy, etc. There is a modern edition by Barenreiter (Hortus Musicus

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:54:38 +0100 (CET)
From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Fw: A question about Hurdy Gurdy

The making of a "definitive" list is easy...just put
together the list in my book and the list in Robert
Green book (they are not  exactly the same, and both
of them don't give information about a "Napolitan"
W.A. Mozart  concert)...shake well....done! 

Marcello Bono

my hurdy-gurdy page is

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:41:27 EST
From: RoseDaly2000 _at_
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurygurdies in London?

Hi Friederike

I live in London.  Give me a call, my no. is 020 7 987 0790.
Look forward to hearing from you.

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Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:59:55 -0500
From: joseph dinkins <guitarart _at_>
Subject: [HG] plans

    My name is Joe Dinkins.  I am a luthier/repairman in Virginia.  I am
looking for plans for a chromatic lute-backed vielle-a-rue.  Any
information would be greatly appreciated. I love french musette music
and Django Reinhardt and his many followers.  Which is what inspired me
to start building Selmer/Maccaferri copies.  I love the sound of the
vielle-a-rue, but I know very little or nothing about them. I have plans
for a diatonic version, but the chromatic sounds more versatile to me.
				Thank you

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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:11:05 +0100
From: RA-Szabo-Laszlo _at_
Subject: [HG] Re: [HG] Re:_re-nyenyere_és_heverészés

I know the song, it is recorded on an LP i think called "virágénekek" with
hungarian poetry (contenting also some poems of modern hungarian writers).
I let the LP to somebody and it never turned back.


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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:54:23 -0000
From: Neil Brook <hurdy.gurdy _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] plans

Hi Joe,

The only plan I have bought is than of a Pimpard lute back that I got from
Michael Muskett 15 years ago! maybe he still does them .Contact him at
hurdyplay _at_

Best wishes


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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:43:16 -0600
From: Rob McConnell <robrmcc _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] plans

I bought a set of plans from Michael about six months ago.  If you have
problems tracking him down let me know I likely still have his address.

The new Helmut Gotschy book is highly recommended as well.

Rob McConnell

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Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:34:56 -0500
From: joseph dinkins <guitarart _at_>
Subject: [HG] thanks

Hello List,
    Thank you Rene, Neil, & Rob for the HG plans information. I have
emailed Michael Muskett and he informs me he has plans.  I am looking
forward to getting them and starting on the HG.  I have some nice black
walnut for the sides and back, sitka spruce for the top and bracing.  I
was considering walnut or maple for the key box and keys.  Any
suggestions?  My experience with this instrument is zero. I am working
from the ground up so suggestions and comments will not offend me in the
least.  I am proficient at guitar building but this is a different beast
altogether.  Also what kind of strings are most commonly used? I would
also like to know more about a "trumpeter"(?) and/or buzzing bridge. I
have a picture of a very complicated HG that has numerous levers (tuning
changes?) and sympathetic as well as drone strings.  It has me very

			Joe Dinkins

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Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:20:52 -0000
From: Neil Brook <hurdy.gurdy _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] thanks

Maple keybox is ideal but I would steer clear of walnut for the keys, ebony
or rosewood are the best woods - they have the required hardness and

For strings you could do worse than check out N.R.I. They do a catalogue of
gurdy strings

The Muskett plan gives a broad idea of the trompette arrangement. After
that, it's down to stubbornness and a reasoned approach as to what makes it
work. Mere dimensions can't really convey the art. Part 2 of my "Hurdy Gurdy
tips" page has further information.

Good luck


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Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:30:58 -0500
From: John Roberts <anglo _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] thanks

Neil wrote:
>For strings you could do worse than check out N.R.I. They do a catalogue of
>gurdy strings

Yes, but since he's in Virginia, it make more sense to go to an 
American source for strings, e.g. Olympic Instruments.

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Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:43:44 -0500
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] the teacher

I say this kind of smiling, some humor I think.
A story. My son is in a choir (here in America.) the other kids were singing
to practice their part, and they slide between several notes. A sliding
sound or clash, my son tells me. The teacher then yelled, I guess wanting to
be cute, "stop it. Don't sound like a hurdy gurdy."
Strange, I thought; wow, she must know, a barrel organ wouldn't squeek or
clash. She must know what a hurdy gurdy really is. But what an odd thing to
say. Oh well. I'll mention something I think. I can bring my instrument in.
(I know. Matthew's laughing; he's seen it.) I call mine the bomber gurdy.

Don't get upset. I love the hurdy gurdy. I offer this story because it
happened today.

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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:23:51 -0000
From: michael.i.ross _at_
Subject: [HG] Another HG for sale on Ebay

Michael Ross

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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:04:44 -0800
From: Fiddlers <mdfiddler _at_>
Subject: [HG] instrument for sale

A friend of mine just sent me this notice. I have a Jean-Noel Grandchamps
from about this same time which I love, and which is extremely well made.
Just thought I'd pass this along. Marjy Fiddler

From an odd quarter (the Northumbrian Pipers Society) there's an add for:

Lute-backed hurgy-gurdy by Jean-Noel Grandchamps, c. 1980, in fitted
leather case.  Smaller than usual 19th & 20th century instruments, but
still full volume!  Very good condition & full playing order.  £1700 o.n.o.
 Contact: Geoff Burton, Tel: 01795 873485. (Kent)  E-mail:
gnbrtn _at_

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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:59:57 -0800
From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_>
Subject: [HG] Wear and tear

Most of my favourite shirts are long sleeved and I wear them with the
sleeves down. I keep them even when they start showing signs of wear and
tear, usually at the elbows. Being 'favourite shirts' I hang on to them
till the bitter end and thus own quite a few of these damaged but loved
garments. It was thus that I discovered that, without exception, it is
always the right elbow that has a hole worn through it....

"Elementary Watson, the man is a hurdy gurdy player and does not unbutton
his cuffs or roll up his sleeves when he plays".
"By Jove Holmes, you're right!"

Fellow long sleeve lovers, take heed.


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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:37:07 -0800
From: Cynthia A. Wright <cwright _at_>
Subject: [HG] HG wisdom

Like an ancient Chinese proverb said, "Your wisdom is strong and deep."
Must be all those revolutions (or was that revelations) of the wheel.

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:58:48 -0000
From: michael.i.ross _at_
Subject: [HG] Blowzabella

Just looked at the Sidmouth website and saw that Blowzabella are doing a
couple of concerts / dances this year.


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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:17:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Blowzabella

And of no particular relevance here (...maybe), I also
note the revival of the Incredible String Band.

Thanks for the tip.

Roy T.

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:18:55 -0800
From: Joan L. D'Andrea <jeepstr42 _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Blowzabella

Id Cliff still with Blowzabella?

Joan L. D'Andrea

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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:13:01 -0800
From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_>
Subject: [HG] Incredible String Band

>And of no particular relevance here (...maybe), I also
>note the revival of the Incredible String Band.

Last year I went to a screening of 'Be Glad for the Song has no Ending'
(Incredible String Band circa 1969/70). There is a section captioned "Robin
(Williamson) and Licorice go and see a man about a hurdy gurdy" (or words
to that effect). There is a brief moment of Robin playing a Hungarian
looking instrument while the luthier, whose name escapes me, looks on.

After the screening we were told that the reconstituted I.S.B. will be
touring the U.S. sometime this year.
If anyone out there knows more about this, I would love to know the details.


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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 07:12:59 EST
From: RoseDaly2000 _at_
Subject: Re: [HG] Blowzabella

No, Cliff left them some years ago and was succeeded by Nigel Eaton.  I
know any of the current line up so am not sure if Nigel is still with
I don't think he is.

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:30:55 +0100
From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Blowzabella

No he isn't

but Nigel Eaton still is.

Frank Vickers
Norwich, UK
         tel +44 (0)1603 505910/443942/441050
         mobile 0771 820 4253
         fax +44 (0)870 052 3751

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:15:09 +0100
From: David Bawden <David.Bawden _at_>
Subject: [HG] Chocolat

I saw the film Chocolat last night and by tonight it should an Oscar 
winning film. At the very end there is a French band playing in the village 
square and for a brief moment there is a shot of a man playing hurdy-gurdy. 
It is probably for less than a second and, to my ears at least, couldn't be 
heard, but is this the first appearance of the hurdy-gurdy in a film that 
has won an Oscar? Are there other films with hurdy-gurdies and does anyone 
know who the player is in Chocolat. From the listings the dance tune they 
were playing does not appear to be on the CD soundtrack


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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:00:19 EST
From: DISKJAKEY _at_
Subject: Re: [HG] Chocolat and hurdy gurdies on film & TV

My wife and I were watching a U.S. television station called The Home and
Garden Channel and there was a feature on Colonial Williamsburg.
through the streets was a man in colonial clothing playing a hurdy gurdy.
Any one with any more information?

Jake Conte: Anxiously awaiting the birth of his Volksgurdy, which he will
name "Vincent" to honour his dad whose inheritance made the dream of
owning a
hg a reality.

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:28:30 -0800
From: Norm Sohl <sohl _at_>
Subject: RE: [HG] Chocolat

>>Are there other films with hurdy-gurdies?
How about "Captains Courageous" (1937) with Freddie Bartholomew and Spencer
Tracy?   Nice hurdy-gurdy as I recall, poor composed sound-track using a
traditional string section.   Great film, otherwise!   I don't remember--did
it win any awards?
sohl _at_

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From judith _at_ Wed Jul 18 13:05:33 2001
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 06:18:08 -0500
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_>
Subject: RE: [HG] Chocolat and hurdy gurdies on film & TV

Probably that was Dean Shostak:
Dean is often found in the Williambsburg area, and at reinactments and
craft fairs.  He has a couple of recordings, mostly of glass armonica,
occasional tracks playing his hurdy gurdy.
Keep sanding, Alden.

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:15:51 -0500
From: Cathy Moore <cathy _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Chocolat and hurdy gurdies on film & TV

There was also a movie called "The Robe" that had a hurdy-gurdy player.
I don't remember the movie clearly; I think it involved French people
getting into trouble in early Canada. 

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:33:47 +0100
From: Friederike Gunzel <f.gunzel _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Chocolat and hurdy gurdies on film & TV

>There was also a movie called "The Robe" that had a hurdy-gurdy player.
>I don't remember the movie clearly; I think it involved French people
>getting into trouble in early Canada.

Find out more about the film "Black Robe" at
There was also a hurdygurdy at "Mansfield Park" (1999) and I'm sure there 
were hurdygurdies in "Moliere", too.


Dr. Friederike Gunzel

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 05:58:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Neidlinger <noid341 _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Chocolat and hurdy gurdies on film & TV


Can't be sure of course, but Dean Shostak plays out of
Williamsburg.  He plays a number of instruments to
include both the HG and the Glass Armonica.  Perhaps
someone else has more, or perhaps Dean is online and
can speak for himself.


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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:27:59 +0200 (MEST)
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] actualBlowzabella line up


The line up these days is (as far as I know) Andy Cutting, Nigel Eaton, Ian
Luff, Dave Sheperd, Jon Swayne.

Nigel Eaton does also play with Cliff Stapleton and Chris Walshaw in
"Duellists", Andy Cutting also plays with Cliff Stapleton and Jon Swayne,
at least I heard them once performing as a trio.

Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:28:51 -0800
From: R. Lebedeva <rlebedeva _at_>
Subject: RE: [HG] Chocolat and hurdy gurdies on film & TV

> Find out more about the film "Black Robe" at

	I believe that the hurdy-gurdy player in "Black Robe" was Daniel
Thonon of Ad Vielle Que Pourra.  Alden, Cali, (or anybody else), am I
remembering correctly?


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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:46:14 -0800
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Chocolat and hurdy gurdies on film & TV

  Yes ,

   The original text of the Jesuit mentions " a hurdy-gurdy played by a
young  French boy " ( un petit Francois )

   The young boy in the movie is Daniel Thonon <g> and
he plays a large lute back ( the film action is supposed to
be set in the 17th cent . <g> )

 If you observe closely , it is Gille Plante ( Ad Vielle's piper)
who leads the group of men dancing to the music .

   By the way , do not rent Ben Hur looking for the
actors wearing wristwatches , they have been edited .

  In Abel Gance 's Napoleon ( silent movie )
there is "Fretty " ( his artist name ) playing  .
The actual version now available from the video store
has a sound track with a fake harpsichord for that footage,
but it is still interesting to see the size of his waist strap
(very wide ) .

  Did anybody notice the modified électric Bleton
HG in Star wars ?
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:58:38 EST
From: DISKJAKEY _at_
Subject: Re: [HG] Chocolat and hurdy gurdies on film & TV

Which "Star Wars?"   The first, second, third, or the most recent one?


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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:53:30 -0800
From: Joan L. D'Andrea <jeepstr42 _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] plans

Just read your note.  Alden hackman of Olympic music has plans for a baroque
Joan L. D'Andrea

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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:25:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] plans

Well, we do and we don't ;-)  We have a set of hand-drawn plans of a
guitar-shaped Thouvenel, but they're not in final form, and they are of
the original instrument, not how we would build it now.  Getting them into
a presentable format is one of my goals for this year, but it hasn't
happened yet.

Alden F.M. Hackmann                        darkstar _at_
"Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae."

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:01:20 -0800
From: Joan L. D'Andrea <jeepstr42 _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] plans

OOOPPS   sorry Alden ...  mea culpa, mea culpa, mea MAXIMA culpa.
Joan L. D'Andrea

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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:35:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] plans

Not to worry, Joan.  There are several spots on the website that refer to
our having these plans available sometime soon, in the year 2000.  Guess
I missed that one.  ;-)

Alden F.M. Hackmann                        darkstar _at_
"Beati illi qui in circulum circumeunt, fient enim magnae rotae."

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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:02:17 -0500
From: joseph dinkins <guitarart _at_>
Subject: [HG] Thanks

Hello list,
   Thanks for all the responses to my search for HG plans.  I have
contacted Michael Muskett. Hopefully I will find the information I need
in his plans.  

				Best wishes

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:56:03 -0500
From: joseph dinkins <guitarart _at_>
Subject: [HG] music

Hello All,
   I would like to find some traditional HG music.  Does anyone have any
suggestions of bands or groups.  I do not like anything that smacks of
"New Age".  I am very ignorant on the subject so please excuse the
stupid questions, but what type of instruments are usually used to
accompany the HG?  I am an avid 78 rpm record collector.  Does any one
know if HG music was ever recorded on 78s and who the artists were?  All
responses will be greatly appreciated.

				Best wishes
				Joe Dinkins

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:08:35 +0200
From: Uwe Jendricke <ujendric _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] music

Have a look at:

Uwe Jendricke                  <jendricke _at_>
Institut fuer Informatik und Gesellschaft, Abteilung Telematik
Universitaet Freiburg                   Tel.: +49-761-203-4932
Friedrichstr. 50, D-79098 Freiburg    Fax: -4929, Sekr.: -4964
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:02:44 +0200
From: René Meeuws <meeuws _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] music

Before World War II old French masters like Gaston Guillemain, and
youngsters like George Simon and Gaston Rivière recorded on 78rpm. I don't
know or these records are for sale in antiquarian shops today nowadays.

Met vriendelijke groet,

René Meeuws

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:44:30 -0800
From: Fiddlers <mdfiddler _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] music

The excellent collection made by Pierre Imbert is on a Silex 1994 CD called
La Vielle en France. It has photos and information about the players (in
English and in French) and essentially field recordings of many of the

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:02:53 +0200
From: Petra Kuehmichel <Petra.Kuehmichel _at_>
Subject: [HG] ContactMaxou II

Hello list,

it`s me who wanted to contact Maxou Heintzen because of a workshop I want to
organize next year. Obviously I took the wrong adress of the mailing- list.
So, if anyone could give me an adress, e-mail, phone,... of Maxou Heintzen
I`d be glad.

Petra Kühmichel

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:13:07 -0500
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] baby and hurdy gurdy music

My baby is 1 1/2 days old and stops crying when we play a hungarian 
hurdy gurdy CD.
Has anyone ever seen this condition?
It's so sweet.
Maine, USA

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:42:59 +0200
From: <thomas _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] baby and hurdy gurdy music

Yes, this I know having the same experience with my kids. The big
difference, we did not play CDs:

Once my son waked up in the middle of the night and I had to play HG for
him. I just started tunig and he fell asleep.

I also can give you an explanation:
Babies are falling asleep with the "sound" of hoovers, washing machines and
the best of all is the car. Why??? As long as they were in mothers belly
they could hear a lot of noise from mam - her heart, her digestion, ... -
and from outside. But the quality of hearing was similar to what we can hear
beeing in the bathing tube and putting our head under the water. You can
listen everything but it has a special sound because everthing is mixed and
unclear. Also a washing machine and a hoover got this and also a HG -
Foregive me !!! - But it is this way. Listening the HG is remembering a
sound and a situation that we liked a lot. Beeing in mom's belly was not
that bad!!!

All the best

Thomas M. Schallaböck

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:14:16 -0800
From: Joan L. D'Andrea <jeepstr42 _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] baby and hurdy gurdy music

That's because she is absolutely positive there is another baby crying in
the house  and wonders who it is    OR  she's thinking      Is there an echo
in here?
Tee Hee
Joan L. D'Andrea

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:06:44 -0600
From: Patricia A. Lipscomb <plipscomb _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] baby and hurdy gurdy music

I am a hurdy gurdy enthusiast and a psychoanalyst. There is a body of
research that indicates that infants sometimes fall asleep to remove
themselves from aversive stimuli which they have no other means of escaping.
Of course, that could not conceivably apply to the HG situation.

Trish Lipscomb

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:42:01 -0800
From: Fiddlers <mdfiddler _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] baby and hurdy gurdy music

Congratulations on your new baby! Marjorie

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:48:32 +0200
From: "[Windows-1252] Wenceslao Martínez Calonge" <wencesmc _at_>
Subject: [HG] A letter to Pouget (luthier)

Hello everyone:
this moving text was sent to the Spanish folk mailing list by Jesús
Reolid, a luthier from Móstoles.  Sorry, I do know many among you will
find difficult if not impossible reading it directly in Spanish.  I leave
to postmaster's consideration if it is worth sending it this way. I
beforehand apologize if  you think it was not appropriate. 
The text deals with the personal views and emotions of Mr. Reolid when
repairing an old HG made by Pouget from Ardentes in April 1856. 

24 de marzo de 2001 19:23
[folk] carta a Pouget (luthier)

Querido Sr. Pouget
Durante estas ultimas semanas, he tenido el privilegio de restaurar
una de sus zanfonas. Concretamente una que construyó en Ardentes en
abril de 1856. La persona que me encargó la restauración, la compró a un
anticuario en Salamanca, la rueda de la fortuna la llevó hasta allí,
quien sabe de que manera. La pobre estaba muy desvencijada, rota y
devorada por cientos de xilófagos. Cuando la vi por primera vez, pensé
que no tenia solución, le faltaban muchas piezas originales, teclas,
tangentes, clavijas,  varias duelas rajadas y hundidas.

Tenía la zanfona  encima del banco de trabajo y le daba vueltas y
vueltas examinando su estado y convenciéndome cada vez más de que
aquello era una labor imposible.Tomé un poco de distancia, encendí un
cigarro y la miraba con gesto de pedir perdón por no sentirme capaz,
ella estaba allí, quieta, silenciosa, no sé por que, comencé a pensar en
usted, cerré los ojos y me pareció verle en su taller aquella lejana
primavera, veía con toda nitidez sus manos tallando el clavijero y en la
expresión de su rostro lo vi todo claramente, todo ese cariño merecía un
destino mejor, no podía quedarse muda para siempre. En ese momento 
usted me miró y una leve sonrisa se dibujó en sus labios, he de confesar
que me sobresalté, la oscuridad se había adueñado de mi taller,  del
cigarro consumido solo quedaba una larga tira de ceniza que se doblaba
inevitablemente hacia el suelo, no quise encender la luz y durante unos
minutos acaricié la zanfona en silencio. Notaba en la yema de mis dedos
sus quejidos quejumbrosos y su dolor, que se iba haciendo cada vez más
mío. Ya tenía claro que  debía intentarlo y sabía que usted me ayudaría.

A la mañana siguiente un estado de excitación se adueñó de mi. En el
taller estaba todo preparado,tenia que  hacer fotos, desmontarla, agua
caliente, permetrina, paraloid, cuchillas, pinceles y todo el proceso
claro en mi mente. Cuando empecé a despegar la tapa, pensé que a lo
mejor encontraría algún mensaje escrito por usted en su interior, pensaba
eso porque yo tengo la costumbre de hacerlo, escribo poemas en el
interior de mis instrumentos, siempre en la tapa en un sitio donde nadie
pueda verlos, mensajes para el futuro, para cuando el polvo cubra mis
huesos y mis instrumentos sean el perfume que quede del vago recuerdo 
de mi existencia; pero solo estaba su etiqueta manuscrita, la limpié con
un pincel , suavemente, hasta que pude leer "Faet par moi Pouget mois
d´avril 1856".

Ha sido un trabajo minucioso y muy gratificante, cada paso avanzado,
cada problema solucionado me llenaba de ansiedad por terminarla, no pude
salvar la rueda porque estaba en muy mal estado y decidí hacer una nueva,
me tomé la libertad de ponerle rodamientos y hacerla desmontable para
solucionar cualquier problema que pueda presentar en el futuro, espero
que no le desagrade el cambio. Si le parece bien, en una próxima carta le
contaré las mejoras introducidas en los últimos años en la >construcción
de zanfonas.

No encuentro palabras para describir todo el caudal de sensaciones que
me invadieron cuando por fin le puse las cuerdas, las afiné, ajusté
algodones, resina y empecé a tocar, un sonido limpio y brillante lo
envolvía todo, al principio me costó sacar un sonido claro de la
trompeta, el perro que le había puesto era demasiado pequeño y no
respondía a los golpes correctamente, comprobé los ángulos de la cuerda
y me di cuenta que necesitaba un perro mas alto, hice uno nuevo y ahora
si, aquello funcionaba, un poco bronco para mi gusto, pero todos los
golpes salían con facilidad y precisos, improvisé una bourre y mientras
tocaba, una extraña sensación de paz lo empapaba todo, hasta la luz de
esa mañana de Marzo se hacia cómplice del momento y en el trocito de
cielo que puedo ver por mi ventana, volaban nubes que amenazaban lluvia.

Su zanfona ya tiene voz de nuevo y vuelve a cantar, ojala que la
música que salga de sus entrañas nos haga bailar, reír o llorar, al fin
y al cabo la música es un lenguaje que entendemos todos, un lenguaje que
nos une.

Ya solo me resta darle las gracias por todo lo que he aprendido
trabajando en su zanfona, y le prometo que si voy por Ardentes le
buscaré y brindaremos con un vaso de vino, por la música y por todo lo
que hemos compartido.
Un saludo afectuoso con todo mi respeto
Jesús Reolid
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:02:30 EST
From: RJNA _at_
Subject: Re: [HG] baby and hurdy gurdy music

My baby is 19 years old, and he stomps down the stairs and gives me the
evil eye if I try to play the hurdy gurdy after 11:00 p.m. or so.  I see
from your posting that I should have taken up the instrument earlier in
his lifetime.

Rebecca Arkenberg

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:20:12 EST
From: RoseDaly2000 _at_
Subject: [HG] (no subject)

To Friederike

I'm concerned about you travelling all the way here from Putney with your
hg, especially if it's raining as it has been for most of this week. Don't 
worry if you change your mind about coming.

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:08:31 EST
From: DISKJAKEY _at_
Subject: Re: [HG] baby and hurdy gurdy music

I have two babies, actually cats that think their children and they run at
the first sounds from my bowed psaltery.  I hate to see them when my hurdy
gurdy arrives.   Any news, Alden?  Cali?


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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:22:52 -0700
From: arle lommel <fenevad _at_>
Subject: [HG] Babies and HG


I play tekerõ and listen to quite a lot of Hungarian folk music. Immediately
after Lilian was born listening to my tekerõ or to recordings of Hungarian
music was often all that would get her to sleep. She then went through a
period where the instrument terrified her, but she is now (since age 12
months) fascinated by it again. Perhaps it happens in stages.


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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:20:52 -0500
From: Matthew Szostak <gurdy _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] baby and hurdy gurdy music

I've never met a cat who was frightened or offended by the sound of a
hurdy-gurdy, and I've played around a few fairly jumpy cats!

~ Matt

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:18:51 -0500
From: Matthew Szostak <gurdy _at_>
Reply-To: hg _at_
To: hg _at_
Subject: Re: [HG] A letter to Pouget (luthier)

Is there anyone who would be able (and interested enough) to come up with
a meaningful translation of this text?

~ Matt

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:28:33 -0500
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] baby and hurdy gurdy music

> ...because she is absolutely positive there is another baby crying in
> the house  and wonders who it is    OR  she's thinking      Is there an
> in here?
> Tee Hee
I know and I like humor.
No but really, she did it again tonight, quieted down. I figured may it's
the steady sound, or may be she's like me. The melodies just go gently
by. I think so.

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:32:20 -0500
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] baby and hurdy gurdy music

PS, we do go things gently. The music is soft and is otherwise russian chant
on CD.
True that the tv causes her to sleep--with it's poor sound.
but gently with dim lights... One of the CDs by the hg orchestra in Hungary
is very smooth and nice.

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:00:47 -0500
From: Cathy Moore <cathy _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] A letter to Pouget, translated

Here's a translation, well worth the effort:

Dear Mr. Pouget,

During the last few weeks, I have had the privilege of restoring one of
your hurdy-gurdies, precisely, one that you built in Ardentes in April,
1856. The person who requested the restoration bought it in an antique
shop in Salamanca. The wheel of fortune had brought it there, who knows
in what way. The poor thing was very dilapidated, broken and eaten by
hundreds of insects. 

When I first saw it, I thought there was no hope; it was missing many
original pieces, keys, tangents, and pegs, and had several cracked and
sunken staves. I had the hurdy-gurdy on the workbench and turned it
around and around, examining its state and convincing myself more and
more that this was an impossible job. I stepped back a bit, lit a
cigarette, and looked at the hurdy-gurdy as if asking forgiveness for
feeling incapable. It was there, quiet, silent. 

I don't know why, but I began to think of you. I closed my eyes and I
seemed to see you in your workshop that distant spring. I saw with total
clarity your hands carving the keybox and in the expression on your face
I saw everything clearly. All this tenderness deserved a better end. It
couldn't stay mute forever. In that moment you looked at me and a light
smile appeared on your lips. 

I have to confess that I was surprised that the darkness had taken over
my workshop, and all that remained of my cigarette was a long strip of
ash that bent inevitably toward the floor. I didn't want to turn on the
light and for a few minutes I caressed the hurdy-gurdy in silence. Under
my fingertips, I felt its moaning whine and its pain, which more and
more became mine. Now it was clear that I should try and I knew that you
would help me.

The next morning, a state of excitement took over me. In the workshop
everything was ready. I had to take photos, take it apart, warm water,
permetrina?, paraloid?, knives, paintbrushes -- the entire process was
clear in my mind. When I began to take off the top, I thought that the
best I could find inside would be a message written by you. I thought
this because I am in the habit of doing this. I write poems in the
interior of my instruments, always in the top in a place no one can see,
messages for the future, for when dust covers my bones and my
instruments become the perfume that remains of the vague memory of my
existence. But there was only your handwritten label. I cleaned it with
a paintbrush, gently, until I could read "Faet par moi Pouget mois
d´avril 1856".

This has been a meticulous and very gratifying job. Every step forward,
every problem solved filled me with anxiety about finishing it. I
couldn"t save the wheel because it was in very bad condition and I
decided to make a new one. I took the liberty of putting in bearings and
making it removable to resolve any problem that might present itself in
the future. I hope that the change doesn't displease you. If you like,
in another letter I will tell you about the improvements in hurdy-gurdy
construction introduced in recent years.

I can't find words to describe the wave of feeling that washed over me
when I finally put on the strings, tuned them, adjusted the cotton and
resin, and began to play -- a clean and brilliant sound surrounded
everything. At first I had trouble getting a clear sound from the
trompette. The dog that I had installed was too small and didn't respond
correctly. I checked the angles of the string and realized that I needed
a taller dog. I made a new one and then it worked, a little harsh for my
taste, but all the beats came out easily and precisely. I improvised a
bourree and while I played, everything became drenched with a strange
sensation of peace, until the light of that March morning became an
accomplice in the moment and in the bit of sky that I can see through my
window, clouds threatening rain disappeared.

The hurdy-gurdy now has its voice again and sings again. I hope that the
music that comes from its entrails makes us dance, laugh, or cry. In the
end, music is the language that everyone understands, a language that
unites us.

Now all that remains is for me to thank you for everything that I've
learned working on your hurdy-gurdy, and I promise that if I go through
Ardentes I will look you up and we'll drink a toast with a glass of
wine, for music and for all that we've shared.

With best regards and all my respect,
Jesús Reolid

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:51:45 -0800
From: Joan L. D'Andrea <jeepstr42 _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] baby and hurdy gurdy music

I think it's because she likes you.   :-)  Seriously, it might be because
the music  distracts her from her emotion.  It is so fascinating she
leaves her frustrtion over whatever is causing the crying.  They say that
children can remember things from the womb.  Maybe she associates it with
really positive experiences interuterin.  And.... chance of chances and I
say this with all sincerity.  Some people believe we are reincarnated and
that up until the age of about two Children can clearly remember their
former lives.  Maybe the HG played a big part of her last life and she's
crying because she had to leave it for this srange place and the music
sooths her.  
Joan L. D'Andrea

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:25:35 -1000
From: Don V. Lax <donvlax _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] A letter to Pouget (luthier)

I speak Italian and could understand it- but you would probably want
someone fluent in Spanish- it's beautiful...

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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:22:29 -0500
From: joseph dinkins <guitarart _at_>
Subject: [HG] translation

Wow Cathy!
     Great translation on the letter by Jesus Reolid!  I have  had
similar thoughts when restoring and repairing old vintage instruments. 
Many a time I have stood pondering a piece on my work bench wondering
not only about it's builder but about all the places it has been and the
music it has made. Great craftsmanship always inspires me to try to do
my best.  When I can feel the pride and earnest effort of someone
beneath my fingers in the form of gracefully shaped wood, it seems like
I am in touch with the best part of humanity.  
   Thanks very much both Wenceslao for the letter, and Cathy for the
translation into english.  I enjoyed it greatly.

                         Best wishes
			 Joe Dinkins

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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:19:56 -0500
From: Matthew Szostak <gurdy _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] A letter to Pouget, translated

Anyone who has ever attempted translations knows how challenging it can 
be.  Cathy, that translation is poetry!  Thank you!

One thing that isn't clear to me is the timing of all of this.  Is this an 
actual letter to a 19th century maker, or is it a modern "fictional" letter 
to a long dead person?

~ Matt

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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:55:18 -0800
From: jjandr _at_
Subject: Re: [HG] baby and hurdy gurdy music

Your cats may surprise you.  One of mine will sleep in the empty case
next to me when I am practicing hg.  The other one hangs around when I
practice traverso (the flute case is too small to sleep in....)  They
both run away from the harp.

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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:20:22 -0800
From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] A letter to Pouget, translated

Great, and fast, work Cathy!
Matt, this seems to be a letter from a contemporary luthier to past luthier.

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Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:24:01 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_>
Subject: [HG] When will my gurdy be ready?

Jake said: 

>I have two babies, actually cats that think their children and they run at 
>the first sounds from my bowed psaltery.  I hate to see them when my hurdy 
>gurdy arrives.   Any news, Alden?  Cali? 

Here's what's happening: 2 weeks ago Cali and I made an offer on a house
about 2 miles down the road from us.  The reason for moving is that though
we love our little Indianola cottage, it's a little small for us, and our
shop is also too small for Cali, myself, and our apprentices Marjy and
Justin.  We keep tripping over each other, and not having enough space to
work effectively. 

So we're moving to a new house which has a 3-car garage which will be the
shop, and a little studio where we can put the laser, and enough room
around it that we can make noise late at night without the neighbors
getting upset.  

These are all the good points.  The bad points are that we need to do some
work on the garage and studio to make them a place that we can put the
tools.  So we'll be out of production for a few months.  After that, we'll
be moving much faster at turning out instruments.  

We'll keep you posted on the move, and how production is going after that.  

Anyone in the Seattle area who would like to help us move the house
(Memorial Day weekend, most likely ;-( ), or work on the shop (early June),
or move the shop and office (mid June), we'd appreciate the assistance.  If
you're interested, please send email to alden _at_  Thanks!


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