Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List - June 2001

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Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 07:05:03 +0200
From: Christophe <chriscyb _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Fw:  French & Breton Music & Dance Camp 2001

"R. T. Taylor" wrote:

> I am forwarding this post form Alan Keith.
> 3 great Hurdy Gurdy teachers will be at this camp in June.
> r.t.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Keith" <mr-reeds _at_>
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:20 PM
> Subject: French & Breton Music & Dance Camp 2001
> > Salutations fellow French and Breton dancers, musicians,
> >
> > It's been quite a while since I made my last advertisement concerning
> > this year's upcoming camp, and I'd like to point out that there's
> > been some important and exciting changes in the personnel line-up,
> > event scheduling and registration offerings.  Go to the camp website
> > to see them:
> >
> >
> >
> > Now, if you're new to the list, or missed this the first time around,
> > I'd like to tell you about this *fabulous* event (in it's second
> > year) that will take place at the beautiful Mendocino Woodland's
> > Family Camps in Northern California, USA.  Here's the updated
> > information:
> >
> > French and Breton Summer Traditional Music And Dance Camp, June
> > 24-July 1, 2001.
> > An eight day celebration of French and Breton music, dance, language
> > and cuisine.  Instruction for all levels in French and Breton music
> > and dance.
> >
> > Special guest artists/instructors - direct from France:
> > *Christophe Tellart ('Percival', 'Chavannée') - Baroque hurdy-gurdy &
> > Centre France bagpipes
> > *Thierry Nouat ('Viellistic Orchestra') - Hurdy-gurdy of central France
> > *Jean-Karim Guillemet ('Chiens et Soufflets') - Diatonic accordéon
> > technique and repertoire
> > *Basil Bremaud ('Les Brayauds') - Fiddle technique and tunes of the
> > Artense and Auvergne
> >
> > We are also pleased to have these folks as instructors:
> > Cliff Stapleton ('Blowzabella') - hurdy-gurdy workshop
> > Gary Breitbard - dances of central France.
> > Ray Price - dances & music of Brittany.
> > Holly Tannen - French language through song. French poetry
> > and many others...
> >
> > Fly, drive, cycle, walk or crawl to this event.  It's not to be
> > missed!  Be sure to check out the website for more information and a
> > registration form:
> >
> >
> >
> > or contact:
> >
> > Debra Dawson, Camp Director
> > P.O. Box 975, Mendocino, CA 95460, U.S.A.
> > telephone/fax: (707) 964-0509
> > email: Goodthym _at_
> >
> >
> > Merci beaucoup!
> >
> > a bientot (a le camp) :-)
> >
> > Alan Keith

Hello everybody there!  :o)

I know that it has been quite a long time since I haven't been posting
anything to the group (I was having some problems with the list because mu
domain changed a few months ago; thank you again, RT!) but I really would
like to bring some precisions and corrections about me, since some errors
have been spread out about my "Curriculum Vitae", though it isn't really
important, of course!  :o)

I just wanted to say that I am not in La Chavannée anymore. Maxou will
confirm that. Of course, I used to 'frequent' La Chavannée a few years ago
(and to play with them) and I still am a friend of  the Chavans. I have been
playing with Patrick Bouffard & his band, and with Jean-Claude Blanc, the
French piper (you probably know them). I just want to correct that because I
don't want to be regarded as a liar.

As for classical music, I play in Perceval (not Percival! LOL), with
Hespérion XXI, Convivencia, Real and with Le Poème Harmonique, another group
of baroque music (I know... that is much! sorry!). Now that things are
corrected, I can sleep "on my two ears", as we say in France!  :o)

And I think I will be teaching either baroque or traditional hurdy-gurdy
(maybe there aren't enough players willing to practice that style of music;
RT and Curtis seem to be interested in practicing a bit some baroque tunes),
or both styles (baroque & traditional, depending on how the workshops will be
organised)! Only Debborah and the "staff" will decide what style of
hurdy-gurdy repertoire I will teach! But I will teach Centre France bagpipes,
that is sure! Perhaps Alan Keith or Debborah Dawson can tell you more about
how things will go!   :o)

I really wanted to make things clear since some people might say that I am a
(compulsive) liar!!! I wanted to tell nothing else but the truth, really!

Thank you for your attention!  ;o)

I am looking forward to meeting some of you in California when Thierry Nouat,
Jean-Karim Guillemet, Basil Bremaud and I are there!

A bientôt !

Christophe Tellart


' Carpe diem, dum vivis '

chriscyb _at_
pranguli _at_

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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:50:59 +0100
From: Neil Brook <hurdy.gurdy _at_>
Subject: [HG] Trompette Workshop

Just for information, I have put a short photo assisted guide to coup de
quatre on my site.


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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:41:02 +0300
From: Juulia S. & Esa M. <ottilia _at_>
Subject: [HG] therapeutic drones...

Hello!   I must tell you all this story, that once again speaks out the
fact we all know so well: everything gets better with drones.
I am a class-teacher at Vantaa region Waldorf school and also a
vielle-player: I play a bass- tekero by Balasz Nagy and a Groddalira by
Leif Eriksson.

At the spring-festival that ended the school year we performed Jean
Sibelius's Finlandia with my class, 22 9-year old kids, I was only
conducting. There were 2 hurdy-gurdies with the band: the bass-tekero
(made by Balasz Nagy) played the low, majestic c-drones and a a girl with
a small 17th century-model vielle (made by Billy Horne) played the melody.
There were also vocals and recorders, drums and violin were played.

It went perfectly, the sound was great and it was a huge experience in
many ways. Tekero-droning was done by a very wild and almost
pathologically hyperactive boy, but the turning of the crank and the
gentle drones helped him through the hasty last weeks in school. In the
end of our training sessions he was not just playing the drones, he was

We really do not need any hyper-modern acoustically stimulating chairs for
music-therapy, bass-tekeros can do it!

His parents were very relieved to see him participate in such a
demanding social situation: playing together with 21 others in front of
some 300 people. This has not been possible for him before this - before

Esa Mäkinen
Esa Mäkinen & Juulia Salonen
puh/ tel 09-8235318
katso/ kolla/check:

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 08:27:39 +0100
From: george.swallow <george.swallow _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Trompette Workshop


I liked the Dog's Dinner particularly but why on a piano?


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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:31:56 +0100
From: Nicholas O'Sullivan <nosullivan _at_>
Subject: RE: [HG] Trompette Workshop

Dear Neil,

Thanks for the photos ~ I for one will give it a try



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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:47:13 +0100
From: Neil Brook <hurdy.gurdy _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Trompette Workshop

Synthesised piano is a lot less disappointing than synthesised gurdy - an
option is to use audio but it's not as quick and doesn't make the dots
available like midi.


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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:32:41 +0100 
From: michael.i.ross _at_
Subject: [HG] Session in Otley

Jude, at the Junction Pub in Otley, West Yorkshire is looking to get a
French / Hurdy Gurdy session going on Monday nights. The Junction is a
well know venue for music, and sells around 6 real ales, including Timothy
Taylors and Theakston.

If anyone is interested in starting a session, please contact Jude on 01943
463233 or mail me at snozz _at_

If anyone knows of any other local French sessions, I'd be interested in
popping along. I am aware of Les Panards Dansants and intend to go along
this month.

Hope to see you there


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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:08:45 +0100
From: Neil Brook <hurdy.gurdy _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Session in Otley

I wish you well with it but 55 miles is a bit far for me and I wouldn't be
able to sample the ales either!


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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:10:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vincent Ho <hbv _at_>
Subject: [HG] knock knock

Anybody here?

Vincent B. Ho  hbv _at_    
Horloge! dieu sinistre, effrayant, impassible
Dont le doigt nous menace et nous dit "Souviens-toi!
Les vibrantes Douleurs dans ton coeur plein d'effroi
Se planteront bientot comme dans une cible;  
           -- Charles Baudelaire (Spleen et ideal. LXXXV)

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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:36:58 -0700
From: Bob Mackie <rwmackie _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] knock knock

been busy looking for a cheapo used acoustic
guitar or three that I can butcher to make some
HGs with.  

Bob Mackie, novice

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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:45:09 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] knock knock

1) please translate message beneath to English.
2) please sir, why come you to visit this part of the galaxy?


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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:09:25 +0200
From: Ernst Kainzmeier <kainer _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] knock knock


don't you have a translation program ready? Try: , the result is really funny!

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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:31:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vincent Ho <hbv _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] knock knock

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, zhenya was forced by the evil forces of the
internet and write:

> 2) please sir, why come you to visit this part of the galaxy?

I have been reading the archives with interest for a long time.  
I live in San Francisco Bay Area, and like many members here, play
multiple instruments.  Around a year ago, needing a drone instrument to
play with the rest of my medieval instruments with my group, I purchased
my first hurdy gurdy, a Kelischek Minnesinger.  It was a loud instrument,
and probably better off using it for outdoor dancing.  Soon I sold it and
purchased a second hand Chris Allen Simphonie, which then was sent to
Chris for restoration (broken peg).  It was a beautiful instrument,
sounded very gentle, suitable for playing drones, but has one weakness: it
has a limited range.  So earlier this year I sold it and bought a larger
symphonie by the late Bernard Ellis.  It is not as gentle as the Allen, 
but it has the range.  

My primary instrument is early keybaord, and had a musicological
degree. I transcribed manuscipts as a hobby.  I had been very interested
in French baroque reportoire for the vielle and musette.  In addition I am
a Baroque dance and choreograph student, so I definitely wish someone
else can accompany me on a vielle or musette while dancing, or play the
instrument accompanying someone else dancing.

For several months I was planning to get a musette, but at the end,
I decided to get a vielle for several reasons.  While I consider the
musette having a nicer sound, its pitch is set: Granted one can
manipulate the pitch by using different reeds, but since these instruments
are in meantone, it would not solve the problem unless one changes the
chanter altogether. So either I would order two musettes de cour, or try
to order one that has changable chanter.  Finally, musettes de cour can
either be in the pitch of 392 or 415, but never the modern 440: at 440 it
will be too small.  My conclusion is that it will be a headache.

I had read Robert Green's book on Hurdy Gurdy, so I am conscious of the
reportoire and the instrument's range.  So a couple months ago I realised
that Kurt Reichmann had a sale and had a small French baroque luteback
from his shop available, I went ahead and purchase it.  I already have 
a fair amount of music (and what I cannot find, I can always xerox from
the local University library's microfilm collection).  I also have been
reading instructional books by Corrette, Bouin, etc., from the facsimiles.
All I have to say is, it is a very difficult instrument to master!  I bet
Corrette tried to make it look easy in his instruction book so he could
sell more music.

I had a chance to play on a Reichmann before, and also a Gotschy.
Personally I prefer the latter (I know Mr. Gotschy is on the list).
I look forward to receive my instrument sometimes this coming fortnight, 
and look forward to practice.  With so many experts here, I'm sure you all
can give me lots of pointers.

It seems to me that there are at least two people on the list that
reside in or near the San Francisco Bay Area.  If at all possible I'd like
to play duets.  I also have a couple of harpsichords at home, so I can
accompany you (or you can accompany me in return).  I also have a couple
of friends that can do accompanyment (cello).  So please reply me off


Vincent B. Ho  hbv _at_    
O nembi, o turbi, o venti, Sommergetelo voi dentr'a quell'onde.
Correte, orchi e balene, E de le membra immonde Empiete le voragini profonde.
Parlo` l'affanno mio, parlo` il dolore; Parlo` la lingua si`, 
ma non gia` il core.                 --Ottavio Rinuccini (1562-1621)

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:32:53 +0200 (CEST)
From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] knock knock

--- Vincent Ho <hbv _at_> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001

Hi Vincent

> All I have to say is, it is a very difficult
> instrument to master!  I bet
> Corrette tried to make it look easy in his
> instruction book so he could
> sell more music.

According to the astonishing amount of methods he
wrote, Corrette made the same with several other instruments.
Take it easy and read the other methods by Bouin and


Marcello Bono

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:42:53 +0100
From: Nicholas O'Sullivan <nosullivan _at_>
Subject: RE: [HG] knock knock

Hi Vincent et al.

Perhaps we are a little unfair to Corrette ~ maybe he was marketing his
method books at the beginner


Nicholas O'Sullivan

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:23:04 -0700
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_>
Subject: [HG] Corette,

The fact that Corette 's students were slow learners
inspired the pun " les ânes a Corette "

Puns are always difficult or impossible to translate but
"ânes " are donkeys ,  so it means Corette's donkeys
and " anachorètes"  is a hermit monk.

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:24:30 -0500
From: Ragnar The Viking <ragnarscraft _at_>
Subject: [HG] introduction

The instructions for the list said I ought to introduce myself so...I'm a 
Medieval Living History fanatic, a bit of a musician, a (very) amature 
woodworker, and a cumpulsive tinkerer.  I am hoping to get enough info 
together to build an early box shaped hurdy gurdy (symphoni?).  I host a 
small woodworking group on the Omaha area, and figured this would be a good 
challenge and a great way to combine a bunch of my hobbies.  Thanks in 
advance for helping me out. One of my goals is to document the process in a 
web sight for other to use as a reference.

Jeff (or if your a SCA person, I go by Ragnar)

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:08:39 +0200 (CEST)
From: marcello bono <lyra_mendicorum _at_>
Subject: [HG] Corrette

--- Nicholas O'Sullivan
<nosullivan _at_> wrote:
> Perhaps we are a little unfair to Corrette ~ maybe
> he was marketing his method books at the beginner

...and then he  wrote music for masters :o)

The problem with baroque hurdy-gurdy music is that a
lot of music was just "playable even with hurdy-gurdy"
unless the composer was a gurdy player, and probably
Corrette was not.
Beside easy duets and suites, he wrote several
concerts: some are just in the range of the
hurdy-gurdy but extremely difficult to play (because
they were not "tailored" for the instrument).
Of course the same problems arise with other
composer's music's not a "Corrette" problem
For marketing reasons lot of baroque chamber music was
"playable" with all the instruments able to play the
range of the melody line. 
I remember a very good paper  by Doreen Muskett about
18th century HG repertoire, presented during a HG and
bagpipe conference in Oxford, 1984 or '85.
Someone told me that this paper was published  in the
journal of the hurdy-gurdy society (maybe called
I should have that paper hidden somewhere in my house...

Marcello Bono

my hurdy-gurdy page is

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:45:40 +1000
From: Aylwen <garden _at_>
Subject: [HG] Advice on G' gut chanterelle strings

We have a friend travelling to France in a few weeks who can pick up some
new strings for us. Can anyone give us advice of suppliers - we also
normally use G' gut strings for chanterelle.
Warmest Regards, Aylwen Garden

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:36:08 +0200
From: Petra Kuehmichel <Petra.Kuehmichel _at_>
Subject: [HG] Sessions in Italy

Hi list,

I´m going to Italy next week (18th June) and I´ll stay there for at least
two or three weeks. I might also visit France. Especially the south. Anyone
there who likes to meet for a session or two?


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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:30:32 +1000
From: Brian Lemin <brian_l _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] introduction

Well Jeff,

I am fairly advanced along that track. ( With the help of a few members on
this list)  If you care to drop me a personal email I will see what you want
and share whatever I might have that will interest you.

brian_l _at_

Brian From Cooranbong Australia

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:08:18 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Advice on G' gut chanterelle strings

Are you looking for the names of brands of strings to buy, or stores to buy
them from?

There are stores in Paris to buy them.
If you buy in large quantities you can buy direct from makers like Savarez.
So send us more details.

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:48:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chiara Negro <ghiro_chi _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Sessions in Italy

Hi Petra !
Yes, if possible ! I live near Torino, you can write
at my e-mail !  Ciao from Chiara 

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:52:36 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_>
Subject: [HG] Concert and Session in Northern California.

As some of you know by now, there is going to be a big French music and
dance workshop in Mendocino California from June 24th to July 1.
We have 2 great musicians that will be arriving early and will
participate in some extra musical fun.
The Crocker Art Museum is having a special exhibition titled:
 " Splendide Californie, French Artists impressions of the golden state,
1786 - 1900"
Thierry Nouat and Christophe Tellert will be in Sacramento playing  for
the opening of this exhibition along with those crazy Americans from the
group French Creek, G.F. and Penny Cloud, Dorothy Hawkinson and someone
strangely obsessed with Hurdy Gurdys named R.T. Taylor.
This event is on Friday June 22, 5:30 pm to 8:30 pm.
Then we travel to that hot bed of 1960's Hippies, flower power and
student protests, Berkley California.
Steven Friedland is hosting a nice jam session Saturday June 23, starting
at 7:30.
All events are free to our friends. So if you are in the area stop on by
and have some fun.
Contact me directly for more details.
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:09:19 -0700
From: Debra Dawson <goodthym _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Concert and Session in Northern California.

        Hi rt.     sounds like fun, how could I get a Hurdy-gurdy and
learn to play one? 

Just kidding.   I had a thought:   what would be the chances of getting a
video show going up there, like Tuesday after dinner or something.?  I
could bring my VCR if you would want to play some of your videos of
France.  If this doesn't sound like something you want to do, just let me
know and I 'll cross it off my list.  If so, I'll arrange to have a VCR
here.   See ya very sooner and sooner.  

Love, Deb      I assume you are in contact with Thierry and Christophe
re: arrival times, etc.  I sure hope they got their tickets and all.

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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:31:28 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Concert and Session in Northern California.

Well first you have so be a nice girl and clean up all your toys,
do your homework and then save up a bazillion dollars.

I'll try to have  small selection of VHS tapes with me. But I would
not want it to cut into our evening playing time. Maybe it could be
playing during the afternoon time after our classes?
Well I don't know about the tickets but I will be at the airport to
pic them up on Tuesday at 4:45 or there abouts.
Did you get a chance to listen to or play along with the CD I sent
to you? How about Arrigo?
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:33:08 -0700
From: Christina Wright <ccwright _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Concert and Session in Northern California.

Dear RT,
	This sounds like fun.

	Our friend, Lynn, from last year, is coming to St. Chartier again
this year.  Bring your dancing shoes.


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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:02:44 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <rtaylor _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Concert and Session in Northern California.

You mean that nice cute young woman that you introduced me to???
Something to look forward to!! 
Now if we could just convince her to becomer a Hurdy Gurdy Girl.......

Is she also going to Gennitines?


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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 06:54:56 +0100
From: Frank Vickers <Frank _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Concert and Session in Northern California.


Seems like the HG list has become some sort of email soap opera.

I can't wait for the next instalment.  Will Lynn bring her dancing 
shoes?  Will she become a Hurdy Gurdy Girl?  Will she go to Gennitines? 
Is she aware that Christina and RT are discussing her in public?   Get 
her on line, the public have the right  to know what she thinks!

Now then, the spurl on the sproket of my hurdy gurdy snapped off the 
other day as I was cycling it round the block, showering me with 
strontium 90, and knocking my plan for world domination into a cocked 
hat.  Do any of you builders out there have any advice on how to fix it?

Seriously? though...

Norwich's (UK) monthly French get together is happening on Tuesday 19 
June.  For this month only we've had to change the location to The Crown 
Room, Wensum Lodge, King Street.  Starts at about 8 pm (tell Lynn to 
bring her dancing shoes).

On Thursday lunchtime Xim are playing at the Royal Festival Hall foyer , 
London; and on Saturday Xim are at the Sherringham Little Theatre, er 
Sherringham, Norfolk.  See our web site for more details (and some embarrassing photographs too).



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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 07:37:22 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Concert and Session in Northern California.

This is all code, right?
A spurl on a sprocket.said sassily on a cycle.
This is sensational.

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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:13:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] Con/Sess in No-Cal: Spurl Repair Tips.

Hey, All

I was getting a little uncomfortable with all this
personal bizniss out in the open like that. Thanks,
Frank, for putting it into perspective. I'm just glad
I wasn't drinking milk when I read your bit.

On to other bizniss:
> Now then, the spurl on the sproket of my hurdy gurdy
> snapped off the 
> other day as I was cycling it round the block,
> showering me with 
> strontium 90, and knocking my plan for world
> domination into a cocked 
> hat.  Do any of you builders out there have any
> advice on how to fix it?
I think that you'll find it pretty easy, if you simply
replace the corylian drive (behind the nichumanth
module). You may need a quadro wrench er
"spanner" for this. Roffalize it briefly before

Hope that helps.

As for world domination plans a have a few spares
lying around. Not like I'm advertizing or anything,
but I could let one or two go pretty cheap...

Sorry, can't help with the Stronto. I've heard that
the Austrailian product "Vegemite" is a good
preventative, but I'm not sure whether you're supposed
to take it orally or daub it over affectable areas.
Can't get it here anyway. Good luck with that.


Blast from the past: I finally caught that Nissan ad
(with the bull). I'm fairly sure that it's really Jose
Angel Hevia with his electronic bagpipes. I don't
reognise the tune but that buildup into Arabic
vocalization is trademark stuff for him, & he is
Spanish (Asturias). I'm not sure why I keep looking
for relevance on TV, but that would fit the context

Y'all try to stay warm.

Roy T.

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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:49:57 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] american commercial

<...Angel Hevia with his electronic bagpipes...
The bull fight/Nissan ad:
Elais company wrote the music, but they won't answer e mails.
I had spelled Nissan not quite right.
Nissan did write back twice;
So a big company ought to write back.
Elias is huge in the ad market.
I'll keep at it, trying to get a responce to figure it out for sure.
It is a Pathfinder ad. The key is C.
The notes would be the upper keys If it was a Tekero, though
may be it isn't, as you suggest (a special bagpipe, instead.)
The notes are after the C and G:
Ab, Bb, Dd, and Eb.
Like a choppy sound  with those notes and then it goes into the middle
eastern or eastern sound,
as you've said.
It was on tv so much for awhile.


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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:16:08 -0700
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] american commercial

I have been watching TV ever since this thread started and so far I have
an ad with a VW and a rhino ( no joke)   and generally a lot of bull
elsewhere<g>  but still no drone sound track .


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Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:40:31 +0100
From: michael.i.ross _at_
Subject: [HG] French Session in Leeds 2nd July

A French Session has been organised by Panards Dansants of Leeds

It is in the Cardigan Arms, Kirkstall road starting around 8pm.

More details on their website


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Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 12:28:33 +0100
From: Neil Brook <hurdy.gurdy _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] French Session in Leeds 2nd July

Hi Michael.

There's an off chance I could get over on the 2nd.

Can you tell me where on Kirkstall road the Cardigan Arms is ?

I assume you are mainly D/G over there.


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Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:05:32 +0100
From: Dave Praties <dave _at_>
Subject: [HG] childs HG

Hello all,
I have been asked to build a HG for a friends seven year old boy, 
and I'm not sure what approach to take. He's totally entranced with 
the instrument and loves to strap on my lute back, and try to get 
tunes out of it. My observation is that it is far too big in the body for 
him, and he has trouble stretching his right hand to the handle. The 
keys are a little too big for him, but less oversized than the body. 
My inclination is to make a small body with a scale only slightly 
less than normal. Does any body out there build childs 
instruments? I'd be gratefull for any advice.
Cheers, Dave.

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 07:59:48 +0300 (EEST)
From: ottilia _at_
Subject: Re: [HG] childs HG

Dave Praties <dave _at_> kirjoitti:
> Hello all,
> I have been asked to build a HG for a friends seven year old boy, 
> and I'm not sure what approach to take. 

-check smaller, earlier models like medieval bow and Bosch-models or 17th c. models

- make it full 2 or 1,5 octave chromatic, so it is useful even later, when has learned more. 
The keys can be removed to make it diatonic or to study the scales.

-also the tuning and loudness should be useful to play with other instruments. 
I think that a kid with strange instrument should be able to join others to play. 
If he has a low g (like in viola) and a 5th higher d for melody strings (to play separately) 
his instrument is really useful with violins and recorders, guitars and other 
"school-instruments". The drones should be able to play tuned to pitches from 
g to e, or ar least from c to e.

-trompette belongs to the beginners instrument too. Of course.

Esa Mäkinen, Finland

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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:28:32 +0100
From: michael.i.ross _at_
Subject: RE: [HG] French Session in Leeds 2nd July


The Cardigan Arms is about 400 yards before the viaduct, if you're coming
into Leeds from the Kirkstall side.
The link below shows the approximate location. It is opposite quite a big
'retailer park' which has Macdonalds, Warner Cinema, Virgin gym etc

As to the music, I'm not too sure. To be honest, I just saw that the group
were planning a session on theie website, and
asked if I could publish it on the HG list. Hope you can make it.


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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:31:58 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] knock knock

:)   light-hearted letter
Thanks Ernst.
Here is a fun trivia question for all the HG experts out there.
As Regis would say:
For one thousand dollars.
What was the Last name in the movie of the the hurdy-gurdy playing fisherman
in the 1938 movie Captian's Couragous?
Try to say if Manuel ever had a last name...
What was it?

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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:18:18 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] childs HG

For those who muse over the child's instrument.
May be this is too much to go over, but this thread occured before.
The following letter was written to the list on March 3rd, 2001. I thought
it was a
very nice letter. I can reprint it easily.  From March 3rd:
My one-year old daughter is fascinated by my tekerõ and loves to push
the keys, take off the wheel cover and turn the crank. While she is
too young to play HG, I suspect that she will want to play one herself
sometime within the next year. My tekerõ is far too large for her to
play any time in the next eight or nine years, so I am wondering what
sorts of options there are for small children to play HG.
Does anyone make child-sized instruments?

Ideally such an instrument would be a basic full-featured instrument
(i.e., have a bass and a tenor drone and a dog, but not have multiple
chanter strings or dogs--just like the basic tekerõ), but would be
half to two-thirds the size of an adult instrument.
I would also consider it acceptable for the instrument to be diatonic
for a small child (and might consider removing the chromatics on an
instrument that came with chromatic keys until she was a little
older). An additional desirable feature would be if the body had a
*very* durable finish and perhaps even were edged with plastic to
keep her from gouging the edges.
Does anyone have any suggestions on where to find such an instrument?
I think that I would initially remove the drones so that she could
start with just the chanter and later add the other strings (and the
dog) when she is old enough to understand tuning and care for the
more complex instrument.
Also, does have anyone have any comments on having or not having
chromatic keyboards or whether or not to include the drones for small
children? I have never taught HG to anyone before, so those with
experience might say that I am taking the wrong tack.
May be Billy Horne has a small one?
I don't know.
He is a very, very nice man.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:43:01 -0700
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_>
Subject: Re: [HG] childs HG

Dave - 

We build the Minstrel model, which was based in part on the Swedish Grodda
Lira and in part on a child's instrument.  We started off with a slightly
shorter scale length, but we moved to the standard 34.4 cm - to finger the
same way we grownups do it would have to be half the length or thereabouts
to be in proportion, so I figured that the centimeter or so difference was
not really important.  More important is body depth and body width and body
length.  Our original Minstrels had a very short distance from the bridge
to the tail.  We lengthened it about 3 cm for the adult version, but the
shorter version is probably better for kids.  

I'd like to make a study of child instrument ergonomics... but not this
year. ;-) 


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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:37:51 +0200
From: Petra Kuehmichel <Petra.Kuehmichel _at_>
Subject: [HG] Childs HG

Hi list,

I´d say you really have to shorten the scale length for children. Most of my
recorder pupils wouldn´t be able to play the larger treble recorder before
the age of about 9 or 10 years because their hands are too small!!! They
play the smaller soprano recorder before.
I already talked to HG builders about that and all didn´t want to reduce the
scale length, unfortunately and I think you really have to. The only
satisfying children HGs I saw are those of Denis Siorat who builds them
usually for music schools in France.


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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:47:50 +0200
From: Petra Kuehmichel <Petra.Kuehmichel _at_>
Subject: [HG] HurdyGurdy and bagpipe meeting in Germany in September

Hi list,

I think I forgot to tell you about a HG and bagpipe meeting/ festival in
Germany (Burg Sternberg, Sternbergstr.52, 32699 Extertal near Bielefeld).
It takes place the 7th til 9th of September 2001. Everyone´s welcome to
listen, to perform, to play, to discuss, to expose, to come and
have a nice time....
If you like to come, make a concert, play for dancing or expose, just let me
know. But I´m in holidays for about 3 weeks from now on. I´ll answer



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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:12:28 +0200
From: Petra Kuehmichel <Petra.Kuehmichel _at_>
Subject: [HG] chids HG

Hi list,

again about childrens HG. To avoid misunderstandings: I don´t want to say
that the children HGs of Denis Siorat (he usually doesn´t bring them to St.
Chartier) are the one and only existing satisfying HGs for children. I saw
and tried a lot but not all for sure. So, there might exist other nice HGs
for children. But as I said I think you have to reduce all in size, just
like you do with childs violins, cellos, guitars,....too. And the only HG
builder I saw who did so was Denis Siorat. For they are used in music
schools in France they can´t be bad.
Does anyone have experience in teaching HG to children? And what HGs did you
use? I am really interested in it, because I want to teach HG to children.
I´ll have a workshop in January for children to learn HG.


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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:51:07 -0700
From: "Uwe Jendricke" <jendricke _at_>
Subject: German HG mailing list


In these days we started a german mailing list for hurdy gurdy (in german
language). Get more info at

To s*bscribe, send a mail to drehleier-subscribe _at_

[in German]


ab sofort gibt es eine deutschsprachige Drehleier-Mailingliste. Weitere
informationen gibt es unter

Zum Anmelden schickt man eine Mail an drehleier-subscribe _at_
und beantwortet die Mail, die einem daraufhin zugeschickt wird.

Viele Grüße,




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