Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List - May 2002
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Our deepest thanks to Maxou Heintzen for this fabulous photograph, taken at Saint-Cloud near Paris in 1957 by an unknown photographer.
The following are the archives of the Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List, sponsored by Alden and Cali Hackmann of Olympic Musical Instruments.
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Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 08:57:07 +0200
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] string choices
Hallo,
zhenya:
>
> Should I consider a viola string for the chanterelle #2.
> They are $20, but come wound or unwound.
>
> Or would a viola G string be better?
> They also come wound or un wound.
>
> I felt undecided, but a tiny bit i the mood to try the octave set up for the
> two chanterelles.
>
> Any thoughts?
To my experience low G melody strings (g under the middle c) do not
sound good on traditional lutheback and certainly not on a Reichmann
lutheback. These instruments are not constructed for such a tuning. Just
use it if your target is a relatively soft not to say flat sound.
my suggestion: try either a D octave setting (d' and d'', not really
easy to maintain) or one g' string (g above 'middle c') and one d''
string (the 'high' d, above g'). Thus you can play alternatively in both
usual tunings and also combine both strings for quint-paralells (for d''
use a violin e string of your choisse, I used a Pirastro 'Eudoxa' or use
gut or nylgut with a diameter of 0.67mm to 0.72mm ).
regards
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 10:14:17 +0100
From: Dave Holland <dave _at_ biff.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [HG] Destrem & Heidemann stockist
John Allwright wrote:
> I ordered my copy from Amazon Deutschland for delivery to the UK :
Good idea; I checked Amazon US and UK but never thought to check the
German site. My German is a bit weak, but I think I managed to order it.
We'll see what turns up in the post. If I receive 100 stuffed flamingos
then I guess I need to take some language lessons. :-)
> http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/392724015X/qid%3D1020191419/028-352067
> 2-0851707
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/392724015X also works, and doesn't
wrap onto the next line.
Cheers,
Dave
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Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 15:27:06 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] string choices and question
Hello Simon,
I wish to ask, so that I can learn,
how do you describe the difference between a Reichmann luteback,
and a regular/traditional one?
Here is your thought earlier:
<...(g under the middle c) does not
sound good on traditional lutheback, and certainly not on a Reichmann
lutheback...>
Thank you for helping me to understand.
jim
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Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 19:33:08 -0500
From: Rob McConnell <robrmcc _at_ mts.net>
Subject: Re: AW: [HG] lubricants
zhenya:
I just checked my email and so am later replying here, maybe too late to
contribute.
The bearings you are describing (we would call them bushings in Canada)
sound very much like Delrin AF. This material is used very often for
bushings and would be a logical and a good choice for the axle of a HG.
Delrin is a composite, Acetal impregnated with teflon. If this is the
case and your bushings are Delrin they should not require any
lubrication at all, although white lithium or silicone grease should not
do any damage. I do not think any petroleum based grease would be
advised for a variety of reasons. I have not been following all the
threads so I do not know when your HG was made, but anytime in the last
10-15 years, maybe longer and they could be Delrin.
I just completed a course last year building a lute back HG in Austria
(with some modern upgrades) and we reinforced all the seams on the back
with black cotton banding glued in place. I believe they did this on
the bodies of the lutes being built at the same time as well.
Rob McC
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Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 00:26:19 -0400
From: Matthew Szostak <gurdy _at_ midcoast.com>
Subject: Re: AW: [HG] lubricants
Hi Rob-
Only the outer bearing of this instrument is visible, and it isn't
delrin. It's black, but rather harder and more brittle looking - and
feeling - than delrin, if that makes any sense. It looks like perfectly
smooth ebony, with no evidence of grain or pores , but it feels almost more
like some sort of ceramic material. The axle fit well in this outer
bearing, but it squeaked pretty horribly when turned - not a sound that
steel in delrin would make...
I've been told that petroleum-based lubricants would not harm delrin -
would you care to share any of the variety of reasons you would advise against?
~ Matt
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7 Grove Street
Camden, Maine 04843
phone: 207-236-9576
email: gurdy _at_ midcoast.com
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Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 09:47:11 -0700
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca>
Subject: [HG] Bearings
Bonjour,
What the plastic shop sold me as " Delrin " is white and
looks pretty much like a piece from a nylon cutting board.
At the North Hero bagpipe festival , there were some sets
of bagpipe made of a black dense plastic that was also supposed
to be Delrin , the confusion has not been cleared since .
The fast and dirty acid test is to touch the material with a red hot
needle , if it melts and smell of plastic , it is plastic , it is what
the US custom people do to identify ivory .
I like the graphite powder lubricant , as far as I know it does
not react chimically with anything , it is messy at first but safe
with wood .
Henry
http://plumier.tripod.ca/index-3.html
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Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 10:08:54 -0400
From: Beverly Woods <tradmusic _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Bearings
Delrin comes in both white and black, and in a variety of shapes: rods,
slabs, etc.
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Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 08:20:46 -0600
From: Barry Black <bbc0 _at_ shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [HG] Bearings
That stuff you have sounds like Teflon Henry. There are many different
kinds of Teflon though these days ranging in colour from clear to blue.
Some of it is used for bushings/bearings and some kinds are used as packing
in valve stems (industrial) as a sealant/lubricant. The old test was that
if it felt kind of soapy, and could be stretched or deformed and not come
back to it's original shape it was 'probably' Teflon which typically had no
'memory'.
Barry
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Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 10:22:11 -0400
From: Timothy S. Hall <hallt _at_ louisville.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Bearings
No need for confusion. Delrin is available in both black and white forms.
See www.smallparts.com for examples. In addition to its use in wind
instruments, which can be turned entirely out of it (Chris Abell makes
delrin whistles), thin sheet delrin is used in place of bird quill as
plectra in modern harpsichords, and there is some small debate whether there
is a difference in sound between black and white, but there is no definitive
answer. I doubt whether the different in the material, if any, outweighs
the acoustic differences introduced by the instrument maker.
Tim Hall
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Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 10:53:08 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] help, string vibrations
Hi,
My instrument is so much better, thank you to all.
Today I am concerned with vibration behind the tangent.
It could desirable in an experimental way,
but I want to dampen the secondary note behind up towards the peghead.
It is not rattling, but a note of poor quality which I can see on the upper
side
as I look at the string, looking down into the key box as I am playing.
Question #2. I wish to play with a light touch. I can 50% dampen the above
secondary note by pressing hard with the tangent, but that is not what I
want to have to do.
Can I suggest a bad idea and then ask what is really the better idea?
I imagine sort of a tiny thin film of rubber on the tangent surface pretty
much like when one plays guitar and presses hard to make a note or chord
resonate.
What does everyone suggest?
thanks so much,
jim
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Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 11:03:59 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] ps, good vibrations
The reason I do not think it is a problem inherent to the string or to the
nut
is that if I play an reach in and dampen the up-side vibration with my left
pinky,
the note chosen instantly sounds awesome.
May be the strings rest too much onto the wheel?
If anyone can suggest a solution,
I wish to say that you are a genius.
thanx...
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Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 17:07:09 +0200
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] help, string vibrations
Hello Jim,
zhenya:
> Today I am concerned with vibration behind the tangent.
> It could desirable in an experimental way,
> but I want to dampen the secondary note behind up towards the peghead.
> It is not rattling, but a note of poor quality which I can see on the upper
> side
> as I look at the string, looking down into the key box as I am playing.
>
> Question #2. I wish to play with a light touch. I can 50% dampen the above
> secondary note by pressing hard with the tangent, but that is not what I
> want to have to do.
> Can I suggest a bad idea and then ask what is really the better idea?
> I imagine sort of a tiny thin film of rubber on the tangent surface pretty
> much like when one plays guitar and presses hard to make a note or chord
> resonate.
>
> What does everyone suggest?
its quite common to mantle the tangents(frets) with heat shrink tubing,
but I am not sure if this solves your problem.
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 17:39:09 -0500
From: Rob McConnell <robrmcc _at_ mts.net>
Subject: Re: AW: [HG] lubricants
Maybe the material is just standard Acetal or black nylon maybe
bakelite? Althought bakelite would be pretty brittle I would think.
I just don't like pertroleum based lubricants around wood or varnishes
is all. They smell bad and they are prone to drying up over time whereas
the white lithium or silicone grease is not. Just a personal opinion
really. Lubriplate is also likely a pretty good choice for this
application if you can find it.
Rob McC
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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 16:16:41 -0500
From: Oliver Seely <oseely _at_ csudh.edu>
Subject: [HG] Two questions
Hi everyone,
I'm creating a modern edition of a Nocturne by I.J. Pleyel, the autograph
of which I requested and received from a library in Berlin. It was written
for two French horns, two hurdy-gurdies, two clarinets, two violas and a
double bass. Movements 1,2 and 4 are in the key of C. Movement 3 is in F.
Pleyel did not put the constant pitch note in the score, but he indicates
"Lira" for the two hurdy-gurdy parts and my information suggests a 5th down
for the drone, but a 5th down from C sounds pretty horrible, but a 4th down
not so bad. What do any of you think?
Second question: Which general MIDI assignment do you recommend for the
sound of the hurdy-gurdy? String bass sounds pretty reasonable to me, but
so do accordion, reed organ and harmonica. Many thanks,
Oliver
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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 17:27:55 -0700
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] help, string vibrations
Jim,
>Question #2. I wish to play with a light touch. I can 50% dampen the above
>secondary note by pressing hard with the tangent, but that is not what I
>want to have to do.
Some instruments don't respond well to a light touch. There's a balance
between just enough pressure to get the note to sound true and so much
pressure that it bends the note sharp. Some players press harder, and so
set their tangents to sound the note a little flat, so that they go into
tune when played at the harder pressure. (This is one reason why it's not
reasonable to have someone else set up one's HG.)
At this point in your HG career, I would suggest aiming for a moderate
pressure, and learning over time when and how to lighten it.
I'd also suggest that you change the strings at least twice before you make
any other more elaborate compensations for the undesired
aftervibration. Unless the strings are fresh, you may do a lot of work to
get rid of something that is easily solved with either new strings, new
shims, fresh cotton, or fresh rosin. 97% of tonal problems are solved by
these four factors. I thought I knew at least a reasonable amount about
cotton until I watched Marcello adjust his cotton and rosin for over an
hour, listening carefully to the effects of each change. The slightest
change in cotton location and thickness can have an enormous change in the
tone of the open string and the tone of each keyed note.
Alden
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Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 20:44:08 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Two questions
Harmonica seemed ok, as I tried the MIDI choices.
I did melody on a separate line, so it looked like a regular music part for
HG,
and then a dummy, playback only line for the drone sound,
just for myself.
String sounds are horrid on average, popular sound cards.
I agree that forth probably meant fifth in the sense that four down is fifth
up and fifth down is forth up.
Those terms invert easily.
Like C down to G is a forth, but G down to C is a fifth.
Same two notes, but inverted.
jim
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Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 21:16:03 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] chat
The secondary note I had complained about is getting better {less audible)
on the upper or peg-head side of the tangent.
Strange but sound seems to get a little better over time. Strange because
the HG may have a mind of its own.
I can also try the "shrink wrap" idea sometime, just for fun. {shrink
wrapping a tangent.}
I scuffed the peg shaft where it is inside the hole, not seen, and the pegs
now grip like wonderfully.
I come back the next day and it is in tune-- very little slipping. I used a
tiny piece of a brillo-type pad, sans soap, of course. This green, plastic
scuffer pad.
I showed the lute back to the Symphony here today and they loved it.
I mean, several principal players. It seemed like a special moment. I was
truly surrounded.
Also, a friend in New York wrote and said that he has decided to buy an
instrument.
Trivia: we're doing Beethoven's 9th symphony now (the symphony that is here
in this city) and that particular piece is the only major orchestral work
to emphasize and start on just the root and fifth.
Another words, it begins and sounds like a hurdy-gurdy.
Musically, this is representing the beginning of all time.
To a hurdy-grudy player, I'd think that was a beautiful and profound
thought.
Additionally, the essence of it is often droning, for example with a very
low French horn, during many of the musical passages.
Its major theme would sound prefect on the hurdy-gurdy.
{reference, evenly; eefggfedccdeedd}
Beethoven could not hear when he wrote this.
It felt moved at the thought of it as I sat in the very middle of it all,
with may be 60 singers behind me.
But I only bring it up because of the root/fifth beginning.
~~~
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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 23:02:35 -0500
From: Oliver Seely <oseely _at_ csudh.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Two questions
Thanks Jim. I'll do the same with a separate line for the drone.
Oliver
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Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 13:20:35 +0200
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] Two questions
Hello,
Es schrieb Oliver Seely:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm creating a modern edition of a Nocturne by I.J. Pleyel, the autograph
> of which I requested and received from a library in Berlin. It was written
> for two French horns, two hurdy-gurdies, two clarinets, two violas and a
> double bass. Movements 1,2 and 4 are in the key of C. Movement 3 is in F.
hey, thats intresting. Is there more hurdy gurdy music from Pleyel ?
> Pleyel did not put the constant pitch note in the score, but he indicates
> "Lira" for the two hurdy-gurdy parts and my information suggests a 5th down
> for the drone, but a 5th down from C sounds pretty horrible, but a 4th down
> not so bad. What do any of you think?
Jim is right with his sugestion. The drone is usually on the root or on
the fifth of the scale. so if it is the fifth of the scale one octave
lower this looks like a fourth in a chromatic context, but it isn't
(yes, if the drone is on the root, there *is* the root note sounding in
the dominant chord, this is not an error but a drone :o) ).
In the acctuall case - keys C and F used - the whole piece probably
could be accompanied by one drone, the root of C which is the fifth of F
so should fit to both keys.
This would correspondent with the usual tuning of hurdy gurdies in C
with drone in c (viola c) and trompette in c' (middle c).
regards,
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 11:03:40 -0500
From: Heidi & Steve <heidiste _at_ concentric.net>
Subject: [HG] Greetings
I am new to the list.
My name is Steve Hamilton; I live in Minneapolis, MN.
I have been interested in hurdy gurdys for some years now, but only
recently have I bought one. I attended the third annual (I believe) Over
the Water festival to learn more about them.
I bought the Maxime Boireaud that was on Ebay about a month ago. For any
who did not see this, t is a lute back model with a unique "quilted"
case. When it arrived it sounded pretty bad. I went to see a man named
Andrew Dipper who works at Given's Violins in Minneapolis. He has built
and played hurdy gurdys in the past. Within 30 minutes he had it
sounding wonderful, and at a very modest price. Most of the problem was
in the bridge. Someone had carved large, deep notches which required
many (20 to 30) layers of newspaper. He cut maple wedges, glued them in
and recut proper slots.
I am now enjoying playing my new instrument. I would welcome
any information on either Maxime (curious about when he was actively
building) or on players in Minneapolis.
Thanks,
Steve
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Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 21:37:49 -0700
From: David Echelard <echelard _at_ hbci.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Greetings
Greetings.
I live in winona.
Last year I went all out and made it to the over the water festival.
Gilles Chabernet was so good to be around, his new music aproach to the
instrument was so good for me to hear.
I am a early and new music - singer and musician.
I have a volksgurdy.
I play mainly french traditional stuff.
My wife plays accordion along with the french stuff and we have fun.
I also play the accordion.
You are lucky to have scored the lute back . I remember seeing that
picture on ebay. Congratulations.
I Sometimes make it to minneapolis. Winona is a lovely drive down river.
Keep in touch.
Someone else in the cities has a minstrel model that alden made and is on
the list. I never met him but I have an email somewhere from him.
David Lee Echelard
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Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 22:25:54 -0500
From: Rob McConnell <robrmcc _at_ mts.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Greetings
Hi Steve, Welcome to the list. Nice to have another HG enthusiast in my
neighborhood. I am 8 hours north of Mpls in Winnipeg, Canada. I am
pretty confident you are likely the closest HG player to me. Perhaps we
can hook up sometime in Mpls.
Do you ever come up to the Folk Festival in Winnipeg? We occaisionally
get HGs although not too often. However the Medieval Babes are playing
here next week and I think they have a HG in their midst, at least they
did last time I saw them.
Anyhow, welcome to the group.
Rob McC
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 05:32:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Two questions
--- Oliver Seely <oseely _at_ csudh.edu> wrote:
> Movements 1,2 and 4 are in the key of C. Movement 3 is
> in F.
>
> Pleyel did not put the constant pitch note in the score, but (...) my
information suggests a 5th down
> for the drone, but a 5th down from C sounds pretty horrible, but a
> 4th down
> not so bad. What do any of you think?
I think the intention was a C drone thru-out the piece. Admittedly my
opinion is weighed by my proximity to Mexico, but a lot of tunes that
get played in F (some wander into and outof C) work well with a C
drone. There's nothing particularly obtrusive or "Latin" about the
sound. I'm not familiar with the music you have in mind, but I do think
it's worth a try.
Keep us posted.
Roy Trotter, Springtown, Tx, USA (Home of the Mighty Pojo)
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:08:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Smith <dtsmithnet _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Greetings & Maxime Boireaud
Hello Steve,
Welcome to the list. About a year ago I also
purchased a Maxime Boireaud Hurdy Gurdy off of Ebay.
When your instrument was for sale on Ebay I took a
look at it and your instrument is very similar to mine
and seems to me to be newer and and a little finer
construction. I had to do quite a bit of work on mine
but now I have it working fairly well and looking
good.
I also am interested in Maxime Boireaud and here is
what I believe is his current address in France:
Maxime Boireaud
Maison do ré mi - Le Vieux Bourg
71170 Chassigny sous-dun
Tel : 03.85.84.68.69
As recently as 1999 at the Saint Chartier Festival
which happens in the Middle of July in France there
was a vielle luthier listed as Maxime Boireaud. You
can check the archives of the festival at:
http://www.saintchartier.org
If you would like to see pictures of my Maxime
Boireaud Hurdy Gurdy go to:
http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=25913101403&n=1965921689
Congratulations on your fine looking instrument. I
hope that you will stick to it and learn to play it
well.
David Smith
Dearborn, Michigan, USA
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Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:23:49 +0100
From: frank vickers <frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
Subject: [HG] Bouffard
Hi
I'm trying to organise some dates for the Bouffard Trio plus Anne-Lise
Foy in late Jan to early Feb 2003. In the UK, that is.
Anyone interested please reply off list.
frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk
Frank Vickers
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:24:06 +0300 (EEST)
From: Juulia & Esa <ottilia _at_ saunalahti.fi>
Subject: [HG] Please check our updated pages
Hello, folks!
A little competition to collect direct user-comments about my bands webpages:
Three first persons to comment (properly) our updated pages will win our
demo-cd and all who send their comments have a chance to win Ad vielle que
pourra -cd Musaique.
The most important questions are:
1- Does the sound-sample work:
-can you listen the sample?
- can you download the smple, unzip it and listen to it?
1. Is the language horrible? (And now I do not mean the Finnish texts...)
- check the english texts
3. Do you find such lo-fi websites only boring?
http://www.polinia.com/ihtiriekko/?kieli=englanti&sivu=etusivu
Yours,
Esa Mäkinen
..........................................................
Esa Mäkinen & Juulia Salonen
Variskuja /Kråkgränden 1b8
01450 VANTAA / VANDA
FINLAND
tel. +358-9-8235318
ottilia _at_ saunalahti.fi
website of our band:
www.ihtiriekko.net
(updates coming sooner or later...)
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:02:46 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Please check our updated pages// ok
Hi.
The English there seemed good. I found it could be written bigger. The small
type, I mean.
My "Flash" is not quite working--I suppose. It gave a warning and then I
said "ok."
Then it still would not play.
I was unsure of the word: ihtiriekko.
When I said to download, it wanted 8 minutes.
I needed to keep this phone line open so I decided to try a different time.
May be more photos, closer with the Swedish lira?
Also, there is no photo of Balzs' tekero.
Oh wait, I am hearing very, very softly the Flash 5, playing.
I have full volume, but it is very soft on my upper speakers. Far too soft.
I hope this helps.
I am not too good with my computer.
jim
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 20:18:52 +0100
From: Colin Hill <c.hl _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Please check our updated pages// ok
Site seems fine. One or two of the pages could do with a picture or two
perhaps but all the pages loaded quite quickly. I viewed the entire site and
read all the English bits within 10 minutes excluding the demo/download. The
demo took a l-o-n-g time to start to play (about 10 minutes). I was sure
there was something wrong with my Flash player 5 and was about to download
Flash 6 when it started to play. Maybe a streamed demo would be better (say
realplayer) as I don't think people who do not know you would wait that
long. Perhaps an underlined hyperlink on "flash 5" and "Download" may
help -it took me a while to realise I had to click on those particular
words. The downloaded demo unzipped without trouble and played right
away.The sepia pictures are great. All told, I enjoyed the site and will
visit again.
Colin Hill
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:38:27 -0400
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Please check our updated pages// ok
I had no problems with downloading and saving or with
playing the demo. It was immediate in both cases,
plenty loud, and very clear.
judith
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:44:19 -0700
From: Bob Mackie <rwmackie _at_ telus.net>
Subject: RE: [HG] Please check our updated pages
I visited your site and took a good tour of it. Congratulations on
coming across so well. I appreciate the black and white motif. The
english is better than my finnish, that's for sure. The music loaded
really fast (I use an adsl connection so I didn't have to wait more
than about twenty heartbeats before it started to load up and play)
I saved it, and played it. But I do have Macromedia Flash installed
in my computer, so perhaps there is an advantage to having it as
a stand-alone program. I have no problem with the 'lo-fi' format,
and I actually find it rather refreshing. I've never downloaded
a MM Flash music file before.
good luck with your band
Bob Mackie
Canada
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:32:51 -0500
From: Oliver Seely <oseely _at_ csudh.edu>
Subject: [HG] .MUS and MIDI file addition
I've added the .MUS and MIDI files for Notturno, B. 202.5, by I. J.
Pleyel to my Web page.
It was composed for two horns, two hurdy-gurdies (called lyras in the
autograph), two clarinets, two violas and bass. It's a gentle piece, not
particularly challenging for any of the musicians, but an interesting
addition to chamber music literature. Grove says the following about its
origin:
"During the early 1780s Pleyel travelled in Italy. Through Norbert
Hadrava, an ardent music lover and part time composer attached to the
Austrian embassy in Naples, Pleyel was asked to compose lyra
(hurdy-gurdy) pieces for performance by Ferdinand IV, the ^ÑLazzarone^Ò
King of Naples; Hadrava had instructed the king in an elaborate version
of the instrument, and also procured commissions for Haydn and Sterkel.
Two of Pleyel^Òs works for the hurdy-gurdy survive in autographs (Benton
202 and 202.5)"
I haven't added the hurdy-gurdy drone pitch to the MIDI file because I
couldn't decide which would be more authentic. I leave that to all you
live hurdy-gurdy players. 8-)
Thanks to Marcello Bono of this list for some good advice while I was in
the process of sequencing this work.
My Web page address is http://www.csudh.edu/oliver/clarmusi/clarmusi.htm
Download and enjoy.
Happy playing, all!
Oliver
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 23:40:56 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <shangrilart _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: [HG] French Dance in Milton Keynes UK
I am forwarding this message from Jeff Fanstone
r.t.
____________________________________________________
The next dance is on Tuesday 14th May at 8p.m.
VENUE: Barn Theatre,
Courtyard Arts Centre,
Great Linford,
Milton Keynes,
MK14 5DZ
TIME: 2nd Tuesday of the month at 8pm
FURTHER INFO: Ian Clabburn - clabburn _at_ sakbut.fsnet.co.uk
Tel 01327 705265
DIRECTIONS: From the M1 Junction 14
Come off the Motorway and head towards Newport Pagnell on the
A509;
At the first roundabout turn left onto the A422;
Go straight over two roundabouts;
Turn right at the third into St Leger Drive;
St Leger Drive has a pronounced bend left and then right;
Parklands is then approx the third turning on the right, sign
posted
St Andrews Church;
Barn Theatre is to the right.
The map containing Parklands is available from:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=484750&Y=242250&zoom=1
Enter the post code (MK14 5DZ) on this web page to get an arrow pointing
to
the Barn Theatre.
This is a friendly and active group with new musicians and dancers always
welcome.
I will be travelling from Hemel Hempstead so if anybody needs a lift from
the South then send me an email, or phone 01442 219531.
Jeff Fanstone
jeff.fanstone _at_ northgate-is.com
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Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 00:17:56 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <shangrilart _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: [HG] HG books
Has anyone read or seen either of these 2 books?
Two Ladies of the Old West: Annabelle, the Virtuous Hurdy-Gurdy Dancer
and Beatrice
by Catherine Weber
or
Hurdy Gurdy Girl by Jane Toombs
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:30:46 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] jim
Hi,
The list has been quiet lately.
Just some thoughts of mine.
I am doing pretty ok with the hurdy-gurdy I have.
I don't have an exact mentor as far as something like lessons.
I thought of cassette lessons with someone in the US.
May be everyone is too busy.
Many thanks to Matthew in Maine, who has been a bit of an angel in helping
in technical ways. But he has his instrument building schedule and then
sailing as summer approaches.
My left hand got a little stiff and sore along the carpel area, and I am
pretty much still at zero with
a buzz that has any nice repeatability other than once per bar.
I wrote a couple of songs for myself, and I have quite a lot of hurdy-gurdy
books and CDs,
but I am limited to not knowing French much, and no German.
May be someone will set up someday for internet lessons, or just wishes to
write to me.
As far as encouragement though, I am very pleased with the Reichmann.
Some time this year, Matthew will help and do a cut to the wheel, but I am
fine for now with cheap melody strings, so so cotton, and just one
chanterelle going. The keys are ok, and the tangents are passable as long as
I am alone playing. I even have one gig for free in two weeks, playing for
an elderly birthday party--with may be three slow songs, repeated, for 1/2
hour, and then "happy birthday", which I'll do in G for the comfort in
singing it.
Best to all,
jim
Maine, usa.
zhenya _at_ prexar.com
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:02:51 +0200
From: Wells James WO TSgt 31CS/SCMFR <James.Wells _at_ AVIANO.AF.MIL>
Subject: [HG] Greetings!
Greetings!
My name is James Wells, but I am called Jim. A little about myself.
I'm in the U.S. Air Force and I live in Northern Italy. I've seen a few
performances of the Hurdy Gurdy but none of the performers made their
instrument....that and my Italian leaves much to be desired! I have four
children and with them, my wife and I attend as many medieval festivals as
possible!
I decided to join this list because I have been thinking about
building a Hurdy Gurdy. I've looked at some different kits and I wonder,
what is the most difficult part of constructing one? Also, what are the
problem areas? Thanks everyone for your time! Jim
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:54:00 -0400
From: John Roberts <anglo _at_ albany.net>
Subject: [HG] H-G for Sale (England)
Jon Loomes has a hurdy-gurdy for sale. He says:
It's a good instrument, French style lute back, internal pick-up,
with case. 3 years old. Very pretty, Canadian red cedar top, so VERY
Loud. Immaculate condition.
3 chanters, (D Octaves + Additional G) 2 Trompettes (D,G - I use the
G as a mouche) Tenor and Bass Bourdon (D octaves) Sympathetic strings
OIRO £2000
The instrument was made by Terry Warrington of Peterborough
My email address is jon_loomes _at_ hotmail.com
___________
If anyone's interested or needs more information please contact him directly.
John Roberts.
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:33:01 -0500
From: gjr <roehmguitars _at_ midtnn.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Greetings!
Jim,
There are a couple of kits here:
Kelischek Workshop for Historical Instruments
http://www.susato.com/
Mr. Kelischek also has full-scale drawings for his 3 string Minnesinger
model for $18.00
I have had many pleasant conversations with Mr. Kelischek about instrument
making and he is quite knowledgeable. I built a modified version of the
Minnesinger from his drawings (
http://roehmguitars.midtnn.net/gallery/gur1.html ) It sounds OK, but is a
bit difficult to set up. As I recall, there is a set of molded plastic parts
for this instrument available, but I made my own wheel from MDF and a ring
of 4" PVC drain pipe. Don't be put off by the plastic wheel, keys, and
tangents; these tiny Gurdies are LOUD!
Geoff Roehm
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:00:00 -0500
From: Heidi & Steve <heidiste _at_ concentric.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Greetings
Hi Rob,
I have never been to Winnipeg, though I have been interested in going
sometime. I would love to link up with you if you come down this way. I
am in Grad school until next summer, so I probably won't consider
traveling up that way until then.
Thanks for the kind note,
Steve
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:25:52 +1000
From: Earthly Delights music & dance <garden _at_ earthlydelights.com.au>
Subject: Re: [HG] Please check our updated pages
Maybe I should be asking this same question! I have just put
up a completely new-look site, striving for simplicity. I am
already aware that it does not work well in a Netscape
browser, and that it should be viewed in a Internet Explorer
browser. Please do let me know what you think.
Our band Earthly Delights features hurdy gurdy and english
border pipes, and we have just put up some photos of two of
our instruments. As soon as I upgrade my computer I'm
looking at putting up the sheet music to all our tunes. So
far it is only available to those who purchase our book. If
webmasters could add a link to our sites I'd be highly
appreciative, please also send me your links to add to our
link page.
Warmest Regards,
Aylwen Garden
Earthly Delights - Music and Dance
87 Schlich Street
Yarralumla ACT 2600 AUSTRALIA
Ph +61 +2 +62811098
Website: http://www.earthlydelights.com.au
Dances & Gigs:
http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/upcoming.htm
MP3 Audio Samples:
http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/audio.htm
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:38:25 +0100
From: george.swallow <george.swallow _at_ beechcottage98.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [HG] Please check our updated pages
Earthly delights audio files.
Sounds OK but the sound is chopped up in bits with large gaps in between.
Is this something wrong at my end?
George Swallow
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:48:05 +0200
From: kainer _at_ chello.at
Subject: Re: [HG] Greetings!
Hello Jim,
welcome to HG-maniacs list!
If you want to build your own HG what's about building it in a course
under guidance of an professional HG-builder and luthier? Are you interested?
I know about such an course this summer (2002-07-18 to 2002-07-24) in Austria,
where you can build an renaissance-shape HG during one week. It's really a nice
place there and also there will be no problems with language. The course will be
held in German but they are mostly familiar in English (more or less).
I know it's a little late to join and I don't know if there is free space but
you could ask the organizer by email: http://www.arthoc.at/musikfabrik/
If you want to have more insider-informations about building HG during a course
you could ask Rob McConnel from Winnipeg. He did a very good job on last year
course! He's also on the list.
Regards from Vienna/Austria
Ernst
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:22:02 -0600
From: Barry Black <bbc0 _at_ telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Please check our updated pages
I downloaded the songs and really enjoyed them.
Thanks
Barry
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Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 00:20:13 +0200
From: Wells James WO TSgt 31CS/SCMFR <James.Wells _at_ AVIANO.AF.MIL>
Subject: RE: [HG] Greetings!
Thank you. I'll look into it!
TSgt James W.O. Wells
Ground Radar Maintenance
31CS/SCMFR
Aviano AB, Italy
DSN 632-7723
"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence - I conjure you to
believe
me, fellow citizens. History and experience prove that foreign influence
is
one of the most baneful foes of republican government." -George
Washington
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:34:17 -0500
From: arle lommel <arle _at_ lisa.org>
Subject: RE: [HG] Greetings!
Especially those baneful French HG foreign influences. Sapping the
strength of our youth...
;-)
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:14:07 -0500
From: Rob McConnell <robrmcc _at_ mts.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Greetings!
Jim:
This was the course I emailed you about as well. Let me know if you did
not get the off list email. It was a great course and I made some great
friends there. Almost went back this year, but money and time intruded.
Rob McC
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Date: Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:03 AM
From: "Alden & Cali Hackmann" <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: [HG] Administrivia - Just a little reminder about viruses...
Dear HG list members -
We've received a fairly astonishing number of viruses lately - none of
them
have done any harm, fortunately. This is your listmaster's reminder about
viruses: whether from the list or not, NEVER open an executable file or a
macro file, or in fact ANY file that you haven't specifically asked
someone
to send you. Thanks to everyone for helping to keep the list virus free.
Now back to your regular HG programming.
Alden
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Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 11:25:04 +0100
From: Colin Hill <c.hl _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Administrivia - Just a little reminder about viruses...
A further PS to Alden's note. There are a lot of hoax viruses going around
at he moment. If you get an e-mail telling you to delete a file, check with
the anti-virus company before taking action . The file is usually one that
you need and that is the purpose of the hoaxer - to fool you into deleting
it and sending messages to everyone in your address book to do the same. I
have spent the last few days helping people on other lists get their files
back.
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoax.html
has details of the latest hoax (bookmark the site for future reference).
End of soapbox.
Colin Hill
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:55:20 +0200
From: Xtophe <chriscyb _at_ noos.fr>
Subject: Re: [HG] Please check our updated pages
Juulia & Esa a écrit :
Hello, folks!
A little competition to collect direct user-comments about my
bands webpages:
Hyvää yötä (good evening) !
Kuinka voitte (how are you doing?) ?
Sepää hauskaa (quite excellent) ! :o)
I will carry on in English - I know it is an English speaking area!!!
Please forgive me!!! I just wanted to say that your homepage is quite
nice!!! I appreciated the Finnish pages quite much!! I love Finnish and
'svenska' (Sweedish) musics, even if those two kinds of music are
different in many ways! I got many friends in "Suomi" (Finland), from
Helsinki to Kautokeino... and I am quite glad to see you are on the
hurdy-gurdy list!!! :o))))
Take care and kiitos (thank you)!
Näkemiin / Good bye!
Christophe Tellart
________________________________________________
' Carpe diem, dum vivis '
chriscyb _at_ noos.fr
pranguli _at_ yahoo.fr
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:34:47 +0200
From: Reymen V <reymen _at_ pandora.be>
Subject: Re: [HG] Please check our updated pages
I visited on your request the site ,here are the points of the Belgian
jury:
1 sound 7 download works
2 Text in english is probably better tham mine ! (means OK)
3 site is Ok and not boring at all ! vielle qui pourra !
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:23:26 -0400
From: zhenya <zhenya _at_ prexar.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Please check our updated pages
Hi,
1) Does the sound-sample work: answer: I needed Flash 5 and decided not to
go forward.
I did not have more than 10 minutes to do internet and all e mail, and
usually I don't.
I know that is my fault.
2) ...check the english texts: This is point #2, by the way, though it was
#3 in the letter.
Please see below.
3) Do you find such lo-fi websites only boring? Well, no. Not at all.
As for content, though, always possibly the need to see more detail in the
instruments.
I love to study each instrument and so rarely does a lira appear on the web.
English stylistic points, which you have asked about--from your web page:
<hurdy-gurdy - family.>
May be here, hurdy-gurdy family. No hyphen after gurdy.
The adjective phrase here is hurdy-gurdy.
<Groddalira is from Sweden, made by Leif Eriksson and the tekerolant is
Hungarian, by Balász Nagy.>
May be,
The groddalira is from Sweden and made by Leif Eriksson,
and the Hungarian tekerolant is made by Balazs Nagy.
<Juulia Salonen
Pekko Käppi
Esa Mäkinen 041 511 5099>
Another point would be to give your full mailing address on the contact
page. I remember that for a long time, I would surf the web at the local
college and not have e mail for myself. I would feel very left feeling cold
to sites that left no regular mailing address.
But it is a fine site.
It comes across nicely in English.
Best wishes!
I already sent money for a cd from you.
Please let me know if you received it. Thanks. :)
Take care,
jim winters
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 23:29:25 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <shangrilart _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: [HG] Fw: [BFD] BRETON DANCE TOUR GB OCT 2002
This might be of interest to some of our UK friends.
r.t.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MIKE JAMES" <mikejames _at_ minitel.net>
To: <BRETON-FRENCH-DANCE-L _at_ rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 7:27 AM
Subject: [BFD] BRETON DANCE TOUR GB OCT 2002
> to organisers or others interested in breton dance in GBMy name's Mike
> James, originally from wales but resident and active in Brittany since
> 1982 as accordionist and animateurde danse: I play with Yves Leblanc,
> clarinettist and one of the leading dance teachers in brittany. we have
> three cds to
> our name together and another in the pipeline, based on the different
> 'terroirs
> ' of Breton dances on the Kerig label
> We are coming to Britain in October 2002
> for a weekend workshop - dance and 'accordeon diatonique' for breton
> dancing inor near Bradford on october 12 and 13th
> 2002. We arelooking for gigs - fest noz,
> ceilidh, concert, folk club or otherduring the preceding week .that's
> mon 7th oct to friday11th.
We can do workshops or
> simply explain dances if necessary in fest noz, or do a concert
> programme withdance afetr adapting according to needs.
> any one interested in booking us can contact me at this email address,
> or phone
> 0044 297 3439 or write to me at
> Le Grand Pre, 56800 PLOERMEL France
> and i can send you info, cd,by return.
> we could also be available at other dates for weekends or festivals -
> we're based in brittany not too far from dinan, and ryan air makes short
> trips feasible, otherwise tours could be done at other moments.looking
> forward tp hearing from you
MIKE JAMES
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 23:54:14 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <shangrilart _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: [HG] Fw: [BFD] BRETON DANCE TOUR GB OCT 2002
Well this looks like an update to the phone number in my last message.
r.t.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Harris" <steve _at_ netservs.com>
To: <BRETON-FRENCH-DANCE-L _at_ rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [BFD] BRETON DANCE TOUR GB OCT 2002
> > That number doesn't look right.
>
> Apparently, it's 00 33 297 73 34 39
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:58:40 +0200
From: Reymen V <reymen _at_ pandora.be>
Subject: [HG] Strings for HG
Hello,
Is there anyone who can help me out ?
I'm looking for the right strings for a HG whith a measure of 245 mm
between the 2 bridges
what kind of strings of whitch dia ?
If anybody should be interested this is for small HG (child model)
Marc
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:30:22 +0200
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] Strings for HG
Hello,
depends on the pitch you need. In general it seems that the lenght of
string you need implicates that you can deal wit the usual strings at a
usual tension but simply sounding a fifth highersince 24,5 is about two
thirds of the usual 34,5 to 35,5 cm lenght.
an ordinary g (violin G) one will sound as d' etc.
regards
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:03:04 -0700
From: Henry Boucher <boite _at_ sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [HG] Strings for HG
Salut Marc ,
Have you tried a string calculator , like this one ?
http://www.cs.Helsinki.FI/u/wikla/mus/Calcs/wwwscalc.html
There are a few others on the web , just to be on the safe side .
Henry
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Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:19:59 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <shangrilart _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: [HG] Wirral fest noz June 8th
More music and dance in the UK.
r.t.
..............
----- Original Message -----
From: "pat walker" <patlindop _at_ hotmail.com>
To: <BRETON-FRENCH-DANCE-L _at_ rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:01 AM
Subject: [BFD] Wirral fest noz June 8th
> If you are somewhere in England on Saturday June 8th and want some
> Breton/French dancing, come to the Wirral Fest-Noz in Birkenhead (near
> Liverpool).
>
> Maubuissons, Fernhill and Dulzaina, 8.00pm till 12.30.
>
> music/song/dancing in the day in the streets of Birkenhead and New ferry,
> dance in the evening in Birkenhead Town Hall (very obvious building near
to
> the river - ask for Hamilton Square. Near to underground rail station,
> trains from Liverpool frequent)-
>
> tickets only 7 pounds.
>
> we may be able to organise accommodation for you - of the floor space
> variety.
>
> contact me here or ring 0044 (0) 151 608 7005 after 6.00pm
>
> Pat lindop
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Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:14:02 -0700
From: R. T. Taylor <shangrilart _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: [HG] Breton Dancing in Leesburg VA USA, 8&9 June 2002
I think that there are some members of this list that live near this area.
Someone should show up at this event and show them some real Hurdy Gurdy
playing.
r.t.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Baker" <tintalbraz _at_ earthlink.net>
To: <BRETON-FRENCH-DANCE-L _at_ rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:17 AM
Subject: [BFD] Breton Dancing in Leesburg VA USA, 8&9 June 2002
>
> There will be much breton dance in Leesburg VA (just west of
> Washington DC) USA June 8&9 2002 - y'all come now, y'hear? Susan
>
>
>
> http://www.potomaccelticfest.org/
>
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Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 23:17:04 +0200
From: Pieter Lambrechts <pieter.lambrechts _at_ skynet.be>
Subject: [HG] Anybody from the SLC or Provo, Utah
Hi all,
end of june, I'll be over on a business trip to Provo, Utah.
I'll also be staying in Salt Lake City for two days.
Is there anyone on this list that lives in the area ??
regards,
Pieter Lambrechts
Belgium
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