Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List - February 2003
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Our deepest thanks to Maxou Heintzen for this fabulous photograph, taken at Saint-Cloud near Paris in 1957 by an unknown photographer.
The following are the archives of the Hurdy-gurdy Mailing List, sponsored by Alden and Cali Hackmann of Olympic Musical Instruments.
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Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 00:39:08 -0500
From: A.J. Bashore II <noizmkr _at_ evenlink.com>
Subject: [HG] Back on list, saving for an HG
Hello Folks,
Just switched ISPs again. Recently bought a set of small pipes, which I
am refurbishing. Next is to plan for the long sought HG. The most common
theme in my choice and the playing of instruments is the sounding of
drones. Such haunting and sweet sounds are created with such things, as
you all know.
--
A.J. Bashore II
Making A Joyful Noise
Harmony Hollow Farm
noizmkr _at_ evenlink.com
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:00:56 EST
From: HobgoblinH _at_ aol.com
Subject: [HG] Serious Problem!
Guys, help!
My favorite hurdy-gurdy's wheel just developed a splinter in the bridge side,
an outright splinter that tears cotton fibers right off the strings, and I
have no idea what to do. I can't see sending it back to Hungary to be fixed,
as I have performances coming up soon. Please suggest options. At the moment,
the only thing I can think of is to send it to Arkansas to a man who repairs
every instrument I have ever broken (viols, mostly).
Desperate,
Alice
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:51:50 -0000
From: Graham Whyte <graham _at_ altongate.co.uk>
Subject: [HG] Testing testing, testing
The list seems to have gone very quiet,
Only one posting received here in the last week
Is it working ?
Graham Whyte
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:09:11 +0000
From: Dave Holland <dave _at_ biff.org.uk>
Subject: Norwich'03 (was Re: [HG] Testing testing, testing)
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 03:51:50PM -0000, Graham Whyte wrote:
> The list seems to have gone very quiet,
Here in the UK some of us have been snowed in. :-)
I braved the snow at the weekend to go to the Norwich'03 festival. I
went to two of Patrick Bouffard's HG workshops and the dance/bal. The
last time I'd been to one of his workshops was in about 1999, and the
first thing I noticed is that his English has improved enormously. I'm
embarrassed to admit that my French is nowhere near so good.
There were 15(ish) HG players at the workshop, so PB's first task was to
get everyone in tune. He went around the room, tuning instruments, a
little like a production line. We learned the bourree tune "La corne"
("L'acorne"?) in G, which allowed both the D/G and G/C players to play.
PB covered useful details such as fingerings, decorations, and various
tricks with the coup to emphasize different beats in the tune. The
scariest part was having to play individually for him to comment...
In the second workshop, Anne-Lise Foy joined us. He and she played the
tune in an amazing duet, which earned a round of applause. Then we
buckled down to learning harmony parts. PB emphasized the need for
playing the trompette cleanly and clearly when playing in a group, to
avoid the sound becoming mushy. With a room full of HG's playing all
together, the final rendition of the bourree was a very powerful sound
(we easily drowned out the bagpipes and choirs in rooms nearby).
The evening dance was fun, if a little too crowded for comfort. Jabadaw
got the crowd going; Dave Shepherd and Becky Price played very well; and
the Patrick Bouffard Trio were (unsurprisingly) excellent, getting
everybody up and dancing. A few hitches with the PA detracted a little
from the occasion, but I went away having had a great time.
Cheers,
Dave
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:16:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Serious Problem!
How big is this splinter?
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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 20:46:39 +0000
From: Matthew Williams <mattwill75 _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: [HG] Norwich '03 - Patrick Bouffard's workshop
I was lucky enough to be there too. Quite apart from learning playing
technique, it was a lesson in how to run a workshop. We had three full
sessions all devoted to the one supposedly simple piece ('La Corne de
Rolay' is what PB wrote down).
I was particularly impressed at the way he minimised down-time - by
getting 15 gurdies in tune within a couple of minutes by quickly
adjusting each of our instruments himself in turn while we just wound the
handle. And he also insisted we all stayed quiet and paid attention
while dealing with each of us as he went around the circle - he said it
was so we could learn how to detect individual problems and thus be
better able to help others when we eventually became teacher ourselves!
Maintaining that level of authority and control avoided the common
problem where one person doing their own thing quickly brings chaos to
the whole HG workshop.
The only time Patrick was slightly thrown was when the BBC local radio
reporter barged in unannounced and made him do live interview right in
the middle of the session!
Matthew
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:16:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Serious Problem!
How big is this splinter?
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:32:46 +0100
From: Petra Kuehmichel <Petra.Kuehmichel _at_ t-online.de>
Subject: AW: [HG] Serious Problem!
Hi Alice,
have you got the Destrem/Heidemann book about adjustment and maintenance of
HG (AMTA)?
You might just have to "true" the wheel (page 61), if the splinter isn`t too
large. But don`t venture truing the wheel without this description!!!!
good luck
Petra
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:26:56 EST
From: HobgoblinH _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Serious Problem!
In a message dated 2/5/2003 12:18:40 PM Central Standard Time,
rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com writes:
<< How big is this splinter? >>
about the end of a flat toothpick.
Alice
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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 18:47:10 -0500
From: George Bitzer <n5ink _at_ mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Testing testing, testing
Grayham,
Yes, it''s working just fine. Hope all is well.
George
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:21:27 EST
From: DISKJAKEY _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Testing testing, testing
You're getting through over here.
As they say at work "It be like that sometimes" :-)
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:54:51 -0800 (PST)
From: David Smith <dtsmithnet _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy Recording
Hello Hurdy Gurdy enthusiasts,
It seems like recordings of Hurdy Gurdy folk music is
very hard to find. I happened to be browsing the
Smithsonian Folkways website and noticed that there is
a Hurdy Gurdy recording that is available here in the
USA. Here is the information - Hurdy Gurdy Music
(Auvergne) by Henri Vasson and Pierre Buttner 1976,
Folkways 08747. This is an out of print recording
that is now available on CD-R or cassette. If you
want to check it out, go to the following website and
under "A World of Sound" click on "search our
catalog". In the title heading type "Hurdy Gurdy".
You can then view the list of Auvergne tunes and there
is ordering information on the page.
http://www.folkways.si.edu/
So long,
=====
David Smith
Dearborn, Michigan USA
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:09:39 -0800
From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: [HG] hurdy gurdy on ebay
Nice little project for someone with time on their hands.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2506675686&category=623
Juan
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 11:10:48 -0000
From: Graham Whyte <graham _at_ altongate.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [HG] hurdy gurdy on ebay
Juan, it looks identical to my Colson in all respects and it needs full
restoration.
"Top needs gluing to sides--easy repair" is a bit optimistic to say the
least
My Colson was a lot better prior to restoration and it still cost a lot
The pictures are too small to read it but the keybox branding is the same
shape as Colson and in exactly the same position
"COLSON ~. A MIRECOURT." in a "V" shape with the apex just to the left of
the fourth bottom row key
In my humble opinion, fully restored it could be worth $3000+ but the
restoration could cost $2000 or more
The pictures and the description are not good enough to make a sound
judgement
Alden and Cali may be able to shed light on the "Grand John" attribution
Graham Whyte
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 07:57:50 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] hurdy gurdy on ebay
That's a little weekend project... ;-)
Alden
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 11:18:52 -0500
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] hurdy gurdy on ebay
Forget the new projects, Alden. Keep sanding.
judith
Judith Lindenau, CAE, RCE
Executive Vice President
Traverse Area Association of Realtors
www.taar.com
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 17:11:16 +0100
From: Burkhard Müller <BurkhardMueller _at_ t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [HG] hurdy gurdy on ebay
Your weekends seem to last a very long time ...
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 14:59:50 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: RE: [HG] hurdy gurdy on ebay
>Forget the new projects, Alden. Keep sanding.
I am thinking of giving up sanding for Lent. Instead, I'll become really
proficient with planes and hand scrapers. ;-)
Seriously, folks - this vielle and others like it were all made without
sandpaper. Diderot's encyclopedia shows power saws (run by water power)
but more likely the wood was felled by hand, split or sawn by hand, and
then certainly planed to final dimension and filed or scraped to before
finishing. Pretty amazing...
Alden
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 16:11:34 -0800
From: The Mackies <rwmackie _at_ telus.net>
Subject: arch tops RE: [HG] hurdy gurdy on ebay
Alden,
Although this has not too much to do with the subject, do you know
a pictorial source on line that shows how an 'arch top' is created,
such as those found on most viols and some guitars? What I am wondering
is how the tops are stressed (shaped and kept that way) By stays glued
in place or relief carving or moulding with heat and steam (or all
three)?
thanks in advance
Bob Mackie
collecting tools wood and ideas by the day
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 15:50:38 -1000
From: Don Lax <donvlax _at_ maui.net>
Subject: Re: arch tops RE: [HG] hurdy gurdy on ebay
As someone who has built a couple of violins, I can tell you that, for
the violin family at least, it's all done with finger planes and
scrapers, No bending, molding, no heat or steam. The sides are usually
done with wet wood on hot irons, but not the top or back.
Aloha-
Don
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 18:25:04 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: arch tops RE: [HG] hurdy gurdy on ebay
Dear Mr. Mackie,
You got me instead of my husband (Cali Hackmann).
Arch top guitars and Viols are not bent, they are carved. Usually a
template is made and the top is carved to fit the template. Then the inner
surface is carved and tapped to get the desired tones. I will see if I can
find any pictorial references for you.
Cali
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 20:05:44 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: [HG] Re: arch tops
Bob -
Violin family instruments are carved. Arch-top guitars are
carved. Hurdy-gurdies are not carved: the body sides and back are
assembled, the braces are put in, and the soundboard is curved and glued
onto the braces. No carving, no heating needed. If we have a soundboard
that is particularly stiff and we're concerned about it not bending
properly, a little water sprinkled on the outer surface does the trick.
Alden
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 20:42:00 -0800
From: The Mackies <rwmackie _at_ telus.net>
Subject: RE: [HG] Re: arch tops
Thanks all for the information.
Bob Mackie
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:21:52 -0500
From: Wolodymyr Joseph Smishkewych <wjsmishk _at_ indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: arch tops
Some arch top trvia regarding hurdy gurdies: tekerölant backs are
sometimes carved out in the same manner as instruments in the violin
family, whenever they are not flat. (the plans for a tekerö available
from Musikmuseet, for example, are for an arched back.)
in terms of something approaching arched tops, many/most HGs have a
slight curvature of the top--in the case of my trapezoidal zanfona, both
top and back--that is to maintain stability in the face of the different
tensile forces acting on the instrument. This is often done in the
assembly process, by adapting the belly/back to the shape of a delicate
curve for the assembly process. The curvature is acheived in a way
similar to how ribs for violn or guitar family instruments are bent:
without using a heated iron--whose tube would be too short to accomodate
the length of the soundboard--the outsde of the curve s moistened and
the inside is heated with a source such as a hairdryer. Care must be
taken to moisten and heat the respective sides evenly. The curved
soundboard is then lain top-down onto a flexible board over a clamping
jig-- the springy board keeps the curve under tension. The instrument
body is lan onto it for gluing, and rubber bands are stretched across
the other side of the instrument body as clamps. For a pictorial source
of this (and a German explanation of it), you can check out Helmut
Gotschy's 'Bau einer Drehleier'.
cheers,
Vlad
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:14:49 -0500
From: tshall01 <hallt _at_ louisville.edu>
Subject: RE: arch tops RE: [HG] hurdy gurdy on ebay
Hi all:
Just a quick de-lurk to note that, in the English construction tradition, viol
(that is, viola da gamba) tops are indeed bent like the staves of a barrel
instead of being carved like a violin or archtop guitar (or German gamba).
This is said to allow a very light and resonant construction.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming ...
Tim Hall
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 15:17:24 -0500
From: Matthew Szostak <gurdy _at_ midcoast.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: arch tops
Sorry, all of you players out there not really interested in the esoterica
of hurdy-gurdy building...
Like Cali and Alden (and probably many others), I have sometimes resorted
to the process of wetting one side (to expand the wood fibers) and drying
the other side (to contract the wood fibers) of a soundboard to help coax
it into shape for gluing to the curved instrument top. As you might
expect, it's the outside surface which needs to be wetted, and the inside
surface which needs to be dried so that it curves in the proper
direction! This is an important consideration, since I cut sound holes and
the slot for the wheel before gluing the soundboard down.
Once, I laid out the soundboard dimensions, cut the soundholes and wheel
slot, and then found the need to wet the soundboard before gluing. Imagine
my surprise when I wet the outside of the soundboard, and it immediately
began to curl, in the *wrong* direction. This particular piece of wood
must have been under some pretty strange stresses, for it to behave that way...
~ Matt
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:14:25 -0000
From: Colin Hill <c.hl _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: arch tops
Please don't apologise. It is fascinating to hear just how much work goes
into a HG. When compared with mass-produced guitars etc, it makes you
realise that the price of a HG is very reasonable when you hear how much
goes into it.
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 23:36:03 -0500
From: Arle Lommel <arle _at_ lisa.org>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: arch tops
I once worked on a table top that I wanted book matched, so I carefully
gathered some air-dried white oak, resqwed it, and glued up all the pieces
(eight) and clamped them. I then took the piece out of clamps and let it sit
for a weekend. When I came back to the table top it was curved two inches
out of true on each end (over only about four feet across) and somebody who
saw it referred to it as my boat. Wanting to save it, I took the table top
and bandsawed out all the glue joints (you could see the curvature in each
piece, even across only six inches), and redid each board on a jointer and
reglued it. Sat another weekend, came back and the same thing had happened.
I then took the table top and left if overnight over a bathtub full of
water. That flattened it, but I knew that wouldn't be permanent, so I
affixed hard maple dovetail blacks to the underside of the table in a line
perpendicular to the warping and slid them into a routed groove on a stout
oak piece. Put that aside for a weekend and came back and the darn thing had
warped so strongly that the (good-sized) maple dovetail blocks had their
shoulders sheared off and only the ones in the center of the table were
intact, and there were the edges of the table top sitting two inches above
where they should have been.
That is the one time I have completely given up on a project... (Between the
table top and a little accident with a chisel that almost did in my index
finger, I decided that the gods of that woodworking project wanted too much
blood sacrifice and were giving precious little in return.)
Turns out that all the oak boards from that tree had terrible case
hardening, in which stresses in the wood are released when the boards are
cut, and even though it had been drying in the same environment for 20+
years all the wood in it moved terribly after being cut.
So, to make a long story short, I was defeated by a tree... You never know
what wood can do.
-Arle
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:59:38 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: arch tops
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>Once, I laid out the soundboard dimensions, cut the soundholes and wheel
>slot, and then found the need to wet the soundboard before
>gluing. Imagine my surprise when I wet the outside of the soundboard, and
>it immediately began to curl, in the *wrong* direction. This particular
>piece of wood must have been under some pretty strange stresses, for it to
>behave that way...
Quick, turn it over! ;-)
Sounds like some tension wood. What kind of wood was it?
Alden
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 21:36:55 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: [HG] The price of a hurdy-gurdy (was re: Archtops)
>Please don't apologise. It is fascinating to hear just how much work goes
>into a HG. When compared with mass-produced guitars etc, it makes you
>realise that the price of a HG is very reasonable when you hear how much
>goes into it.
It's quite a funny situation, if you apply that mindset to
it. ;-) Generally potential HG buyers who call us up fall into one of
two groups:
"Your prices are very reasonable for such a complex instrument." (This is
definitely the more rare, and we treasure them.)
"Are you sure you don't have something less expensive and available
sooner? I need it next month, and I want a good instrument, and I budgeted
$600 for it." (It's hard to decide whether to laugh or to cry.)
Back to work ;-P
Alden
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 21:43:12 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: arch tops
Vlad said:
> For a pictorial source of this (and a German explanation of it), you can
> check out Helmut Gotschy's 'Bau einer Drehleier'.
I'll put in a brief commercial plug for this book - we still have 2 copies
available, mint condition (still wrapped in plastic), $40 including
postage. Please contact me off-list for more information.
Alden
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Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:28:20 +0000
From: richard.lewis _at_ bookseller.co.uk
Subject: Re: [HG] Norwich '03 - Patrick Bouffard's workshop
This sounds like a good workshop, I'm sorry I missed it. How can I find out
about these things before they happen?
Richard Lewis
Retail Reporter
The Bookseller
www.theBookseller.com
richard.lewis _at_ bookseller.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:52:05 -0500
From: Matthew Szostak <gurdy _at_ midcoast.com>
Subject: [HG] Re: Gotschy Book (was Re: arch tops )
At 09:43 PM 2/9/03 -0800, you wrote:
>Vlad said:
>
>> For a pictorial source of this (and a German explanation of it), you
>> can check out Helmut Gotschy's 'Bau einer Drehleier'.
>
>I'll put in a brief commercial plug for this book - we still have 2 copies
>available, mint condition (still wrapped in plastic), $40 including
>postage. Please contact me off-list for more information.
>
>Alden
I bought a copy of this book. I've never wanted to be able to read German
as badly as the day that book arrived! Was there ever a discussion here
about someone translating this book to English? Or am I thinking of
another book (no, I'm not thinking of the "Dewit" plans)?
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Matthew Szostak - Hurdy-Gurdies
7 Grove Street
Camden, Maine 04843
phone: 207-236-9576
email: gurdy _at_ midcoast.com
website: http://www.midcoast.com/~beechhil/vielle
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:00:08 -0500
From: Matthew Szostak <gurdy _at_ midcoast.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: arch tops
At 05:59 PM 2/9/03 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Quick, turn it over! ;-)
>
>Sounds like some tension wood. What kind of wood was it?
>
>Alden
Believe me, Alden, that was my first thought! But the soundholes aren't
"reversible," the way I cut them. It was a spruce soundboard;but I don't
remember the details. Since then, I've tested sections of cut-off scrap
from soundboards to check for such tension before I cut out the holes...
~ Matt
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Matthew Szostak - Hurdy-Gurdies
7 Grove Street
Camden, Maine 04843
phone: 207-236-9576
email: gurdy _at_ midcoast.com
website: http://www.midcoast.com/~beechhil/vielle
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:25:03 -0500
From: "Smishkewych, Wolodymyr" <wjsmishk _at_ indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: [HG] Re: arch tops
And I'll follow up with a second (re) recommendation for the book; it is
magnificent (and hard to get--do take Alden up on it! Best pix around
for HG building method's I've ever seen). Just make sure to brush up on
your German first! (Did we have a thread some time ago about the
possibility of its translation into English? What was the status of
that?)
Peace and plane shavings,
Vlad
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:37:36 -0500
From: "Smishkewych, Wolodymyr" <wjsmishk _at_ indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: [HG] Re: arch tops: spelling correction
Oops! Sorry, that should be "HG building METHODS," without the
apostrophe--one of my pet peeves of misspelling and there I go doing it
myself...
sheepishly,
Vlad
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:35:39 +0000
From: Dave Holland <dave _at_ biff.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [HG] Norwich '03 - Patrick Bouffard's workshop
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 03:28:20PM +0000, richard.lewis _at_ bookseller.co.uk wrote:
> This sounds like a good workshop, I'm sorry I missed it. How can I find out
> about these things before they happen?
For the Norwich festival(s) - write to the address on
http://www.vickhast.demon.co.uk/ticket_info.html
and they'll put you on their mailing list.
(or I think Frank Vickers reads this list -- hello Frank -- he's one of
the organisers)
Cheers,
Dave
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:40:34 +0100
From: Helmut Gotschy <Helmut.Gotschy _at_ t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: arch tops
Hi Vlad,
thanks for your recommendation about my book.
If there is someone out there who want to translate it, just go on - I don't
mind.
Just let me have a copy! (CD or mail)
Good luck
Helmut
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:59:15 -0500
From: "Smishkewych, Wolodymyr" <wjsmishk _at_ indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: [HG] Re: arch tops
You're quite welcome, Helmut!
I am wondering how many German speakers we have on the list: perhaps
this could be a collaborative effort, with one person taking care of one
section over a given course of time. I feel this would be a most
valuable addition to HG literature in English! Any takers? My German is
not good enough to do this but I know some folks that would be able to
take it on locally.
Vlad
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:40:20 -0500
From: HobgoblinH _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: arch tops
Dear Vlad--
My German issn't bad.
Alice
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:46:09 -0800
From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: [HG] Re: Gotschy book translation
I'm good for a chapter or two.
Juan
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:17:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Serious Problem!
Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. Since there hasn't been much
advice come out, I thought I should at least venture an opinion and
(hopefully) start an argument ;-).
You should be able to glue the splinter back down fairly flush. Epoxy
probably is best. Make sure to remove all surface glue and then retrue
the wheel as Petra suggested.
I'd offer to take a look at it, since we're almost neighbors (600
miles?) but I'm in a time/cash vacuum at the moment. If you're planning
to be near the DFW metro-mess, get in touch.
Later
Roy T.
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:58:26 -0000
From: Frank Vickers <frank _at_ vickhast.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [HG] Norwich '03 - Patrick Bouffard's workshop
Hi folks
yes it's Frank Vickers here.
I was one of the team responsible for the festival (and I insisted on having
Bouffard over - my liver will probably recover one day).
For your information the next festival will be 30/31 jan to 1 Feb 2004.
We don't have a line up yet but I'm pushing for Gilles Chabenat. Any
suggestions anyone?
I think if we got him and Fred Paris to do their duo we'd have to beat
people off with a stick!
Oh and I've succeeded in setting up my CD distribution thing. There's a web
site at www.cuberoots.com . I've cornered the market more or less on the
gurdy groups. I'm trying to sell to shops and individuals alike. If anyone
else is looking for distribution... let me know. End of plug for the
web-site. Sorry.
Frank Vickers
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:02:50 -0800 (PST)
From: David Smith <dtsmithnet _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: [HG] Susann Palmer Book
Hello everyone,
A while ago there was talk about Susann Palmer's out
of print book "The Hurdy Gurdy". Since used books may
sell for a lot of money, I tried a more economical
solution. Many libraries here in the USA participate
in what is known as "interlibrary loan", where the
library can search the catalog of other libraries it
is affiliated with and you can borrow books from their
collection for a small fee. I went to my local
community college and they were able to locate
Susann's book at Western Michigan University. So I
borrowed the book and have thoroughly enjoyed reading
it for the past 2 weeks. I'm not sure how many
libraries participate in this type of loan, but you
might check and see if your local library does. Here
is the information they would need to look it up.
The Hurdy-gurdy
By Susann Palmer and Samuel Palmer, 1980, ISBN
0-7153-7888-0, published by David and Charles, Brunel
House Newton Abbot Devon, UK
Also, I noticed that there is the nicest looking
French Vielle (by Boudet) I have ever seen for sale on
Ebay. You can see for yourself at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2507171076&category=623
Enjoy,
=====
David Smith
Dearborn, Michigan USA
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:11:19 EST
From: HobgoblinH _at_ aol.com
Subject: Re: [HG] Serious Problem!
Thanks much, Roy. I called Alden in despair, and he outlined the course I
took: shave out the splinter (which ran really deep), then true the wheel
down to below the splinter line, then bevel the wheel to remove the divot.
Gratefully, I had a friend ready to turn the wheel for two hours. All fixed
now, thank God. Sounds terrific.
Alice
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:57:28 -0500
From: Arle Lommel <arle _at_ lisa.org>
Subject: [HG] Gotschy book translation
Hi,
It is nice to know that Helmut is interested in the translation effort. It
is always best to have a willing author.
If there is real interest in a translation, I think the best option would be
to prepare a real publication, rather than (for example) a Word document
that translates the text, but requires one to own the original book and go
back and forth between a print-out and the original.
Maybe I am reading this as more than anyone intends, but a "real"
translation would be the ideal. If there is enough interest in preparing a
salable translation of "Bau einer Drehleier", I have some thoughts on what
it would take to make it real, but I will save those for later.
So the question is, if an English translation of "Build a Hurdy-Gurdy" were
available, how many people would buy it? If Alden sells his German copies
for $40, then I suspect that the English edition would have to go for about
that much, so figure on that cost level.
Alden, do you get requests for English building materials on a regular
basis? Would this be something you think would sell?
For those on the list, how many would be interested in buying an English
translation of the book?
We already have a few volunteers for translation. How many others would be
interested?
If there is sufficient interest, I volunteer to coordinate the efforts and
work toward getting the book published. (I know quite a bit about what would
be involved, as publications have been my job for several years now.)
-Arle
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:47:06 +0100
From: Helmut Gotschy <Helmut.Gotschy _at_ t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [HG] Gotschy book translation
Hi Arle,
I give my OK only for a private translation which can be shared among the HG
people.
For a printed book however you need the OK by my publisher, Michael Hofmann
from Verlag der Spielleute www.spielleute.de . They have the rights for all
further use!
Greetings
Helmut
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:17:33 +0000
From: richard.lewis _at_ bookseller.co.uk
Subject: Re: [HG] Gotschy book translation
If list members want to publish Helmut's book as a commercial venture in
the US or UK they will need to buy the foreign rights from Spielleute, so
that Spielleute and Helmut can be fairly compensated. This means the group
will need to be very clear -- legally clear -- on who is willing to invest
actual money and who expects to gain. Alternatively, Helmut has very
generously agreed to waive his rights in the work as long as it is only
distributed among our group as 'shareware'. It might be a whole lot simpler
to do this and easier to work in a sprit of general co operation when money
aint involved. Good luck.
Richard Lewis
Retail Reporter
The Bookseller
www.theBookseller.com
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:04:18 +0000
From: richard.lewis _at_ bookseller.co.uk
Subject: Re: [HG] Susann Palmer Book
A while ago there was some talk of perhaps reissuing the Palmer book.
Apologies if this is not new information; the rights in the book reverted
to the author some time ago so it is possible. She is sadly not a member of
the Society of Authors here so I could not find a contact address, but
David & Charles have offered to try to contact her on behalf of interested
parties. Letters should be addressed to
David & Charles Ltd
Brunel House
Forde Close
Newton Abbott
Devon
TQ12 4PU
UK
A flood of letters might not garner the best result, but a coordinated
effort might be worth a shot.
all best
Richard
--
Richard Lewis
Retail Reporter
The Bookseller
www.theBookseller.com
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:07:49 -0500
From: Arle Lommel <arle _at_ lisa.org>
Subject: Re: [HG] Gotschy book translation
Hi all,
actually my first version of the mail that put forth the idea of a real
publication of the book was about twice as long as what I actually sent out
and addressed the topics of getting copyright release and handling financial
matters, but I realized that most of the list wouldn't read anything that
long, and that if there were no interest in a "real" translation it would be
irrelevant anyway. So I deleted it. I figured if there were clear interest
in having a "real" edition then those things could be dealt with, but
bringing up the troubles before gauging interest would be the fastest way to
kill interest...
This would not be a small undertaking, and logistical issues might kill it.
That was the impetus for asking who would be interested in it, and if it
would sell. If there is not enough interest then any effort beyond the most
informal would not be worth it as it would yield no satisfactory results.
Richard is, of course, correct, that there would need to be legal agreement
on how funds would be disbursed as every person who had a hand in a
commercial volume would have claim on proceeds. Certainly Helmut as author
and Spielleute as original publisher would have the strongest claim on
anything, but individual translators, editors, etc. would all want something
back. I think there are ways around this (for example, if all proceeds
beyond Helmut's and Spielleute's went into a non-profit HG Society or
something) but that would all have to be worked out.
So perhaps the informal translation is the best idea as it entails the least
hassle. At the same time it does limit the distribution and usability of the
translation considerably, so those are the issues to balance out.
-Arle
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:46:22 +0000
From: richard.lewis _at_ bookseller.co.uk
Subject: Re: [HG] Gotschy book translation
sorry if my mail sounded like the dead hand :-) I thought it was a really
good idea and on the contrary, Arle, dishing the gloom first will root out
those able and willing to do it in spite of the difficulties, which is
surely what you need for it to succeed. there must be one or two people on
the list with this kind of commercial experience?
Richard Lewis
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:14:52 -0500
From: Arle Lommel <arle _at_ lisa.org>
Subject: Re: [HG] Gotschy book translation
I don't have the business experience to make it real, but I do actually have
the experience to manage the actual production and coordination of the
translators. If it were to happen I could handle the actual layout and
design of the book as well (I don't have a copy of the German book yet, but
I suspect that it would need to be updated for various reasons - the biggest
being that the English will be longer than the German, probably by about
30%, that being the nature of translations).
What this would leave are the following jobs:
1. Someone would need to talk to the publisher and negotiate some way for us
to republish the book that would not require cash up front to buy the
rights. I certainly don't have spare cash sitting around to buy the
rights... ;-) Thus, unless we find a sugar daddy, I think that Spielleute
(and Helmut) would need to get funds contingent on actual sales, rather than
a lump payment for English-language rights. I don't know if Spielleute would
go for that, but that would be the best option.
2. All those who are interested in participation would need to come to
agreement on how to proceed and what would happen with any funds. Would
everyone be paid a percentage of the sales, or would it go to a NFP? That
would need to be resolved before any work begins.
Does anyone on the list have experience in dealing with the business end of
publication?
-Arle
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:21:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Serious Problem!
--- HobgoblinH _at_ aol.com wrote:
> Gratefully, I had a friend ready to turn the wheel for two hours. All
> fixed now, thank God. Sounds terrific.
Congratulations!!!! and yes indeed, be grateful for such friends. Mine
have mostly learned better and tend to win long vacations in faraway
places or contract strange maladies when I mention gurdywork. ;-)
Later
Roy T.
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:16:04 -0800
From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Gotschy book translation
>
>If there is real interest in a translation, I think the best option would be
>to prepare a real publication, rather than (for example) a Word document
>that translates the text, but requires one to own the original book and go
>back and forth between a print-out and the original.
Actually, I think the Word document with the original book offers a
lot of possibilities.
It is a very simple solution. You buy the German book, thereby paying
your dues to the publisher and the author and you also get the text
translated, page by page, as it appears in the book, in a separate
document. Whenever an illustration occurs you simply state the
number. If you are at all serious about using this book, this extra
step should be no problem. The translation could be free, or not. The
question being whether we (the people putting together the
translation) are doing it to make money or as a public service.
Personally, I am volunteering my translating services free of charge.
There are 80 illustrations in the book so I think creating a separate
English edition would require a complete new layout and design so
that everything lands on the relevant page. This is a lot of work and
frankly I wonder if it is worth it. The market for such a book is
after all minuscule.
Juan
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:43:32 -0500
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Gotschy book translation
Well, if you are talking about a low-budget,
complimentary translation, I sure could do
the reproduction (as long as you don't want
it all bound and fancy.)
I gots a printing operation here we
could do a reproduction of a Word/Publisher
document...going rate is about $.01 per page
(impression).
judith
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:13:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Gotschy book translation
I'm interested in the translation as a printable text document. I
already have the book and don't intend to buy another. (I'd rather
spend the money on wood.) As a document, may I recommend an actual
internet format? ....say HTML or PDF, rather than the platform specific
MS Word? (I'd rather spend the money on wood than Word.)
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to split a hair.
Roy T.
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:17:08 +0000
From: richard.lewis _at_ bookseller.co.uk
Subject: Re: [HG] Gotschy book translation
>The market for such a book is
after all minuscule.
exactly. I have asked a few publishers and the general feeling is that it
is quite hard for German publishers to sell english language rights,
especially for a niche book such as this, so Spielleute should be amenable
to a sale.
However, since the group is not a publisher with a track record it would be
very difficult to negotiate a royalty-only deal. It's rare even where you
can demonstrate sales history. Spielleute would most likely and most
properly want some money upfront. A figure in the v. low hundreds GBP would
be respectable and you could spread the cost by offering half on signing
and half on publication. But add to that the cost of printing and binding
and you have quite a costly little title even before you consider
distribution. Could the group be sure of enough sales to rake it back?
Possibly over time, but it is a speculation. Another plan might be for the
translators to approach a suitable publisher with a business plan. A house
publishing a number of titles in a year is more likely to speculate the
cash (but not much more).
In the meantime a great solution presents itself with the blessing of the
writer and in the spirit if freedom of information.
Hope this isn't the dead hand again
Richard Lewis
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:19:29 -0800
From: Pat Nelson <pjs3ds _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Gotschy book translation
I would be most interested in a translation of said text. Joan D'Andrea
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:50:20 -0500
From: Wolodymyr Joseph Smishkewych <wjsmishk _at_ indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Gotschy book translation
Hello all,
I'm glad to see how much interest there is in this project! in whichever
form it takes place, however, i am sure it will of great use & interest
to this community--and who knows, maybe luthiers around the world will
suddenly start putting out luteback HGs! in any event, we are fortunate
the author is cyber-close and is consultable; my original message was
closer to what Helmut himself described: a shareware version of sorts;
as Richard put it:
> In the meantime a great solution presents itself with the blessing of
> the
> writer and in the spirit if freedom of information.
>
so off we go. Let's see where we get!
cheers to all,
Vlad
PS: i forgot to say amidst this all; I amy be able to put together a
patchily-translated chapter myself! ;^)
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:51:46 +0000
From: David <david.bawden _at_ btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Susann Palmer Book
The contact details of a Susann Palmer can be found by typing in her name in
Google. Unless it is a different person with the same (odd) spelling of her
name, then Susann works as an archaelogist in the south of England.
I have a friend who specialises in publishing books of traditional music and
dance interest. Last year he published a short run reprint of a book on the
poet John Clare, including his collection which provides a rich source of
English fiddle tunes. Two other friends donated their time to prepare the
reprint. It was a virtual replica of the original print i.e. without updates,
additional chapters; though some typos were corrected. The book sells at Ł15.
If anyone is prepared to help I could approach my friend to see if the Palmer
book is something he would consider. Not sure who put up the money for the
reprint - possibly my publisher friend, but we might need to take the risk
ourselves.
Any one interested? Can't promise anything, but it might be worth
investigating.
NB I don't actually have a copy of the book, so I would be one buyer!
David
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:48:23 -0600
From: David Echelard <echelard _at_ hbci.com>
Subject: [HG] Hg & modern dance
This weekend in Winona Minnesota I am performing an original composition for
hurdy gurdy and voice which is music that will be performed for a modern
dance collaboration & Performance. I have worked with the modern dancers
and choreographer to composed the music which of course is in response to
their movements. The piece also incorporates a 20 foot root, from a tree.
Its another first for me with the hurdy gurdy as a great accompaniment
instrument for my voice, as well as performing live for modern dance. The
hurdy gurdy offers opportunities for clashing dissonances, sustained energy
as well as constant movement which energizes my vocal improvisation with
the instrument. It is seeming to be a great mixture for me, the dancers
and all those people who are trying to figure out what live sounds they are
hearing while experiencing modern dancers moving to my music.
David Lee Echelard (another volksgurdy at work)
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:14:38 +0100
From: René Meeuws <meeuws _at_ msmp.demon.nl>
Subject: Re: [HG] Susann Palmer Book
Hello,
Marianne Bröcker's book is still available at Kurt Reichmann; contact:
natalia.issupow _at_ t-online.de.
Some time ago Marianne spoke to me about a fully renewed, actualised edition
of her book, but since that I didn't hear any news.
Greetings from Holland,
René Meeuws
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:58:32 -0500 (EST)
From: kafka _at_ tuhep3.phy.tufts.edu
Subject: Re: [HG] Susann Palmer Book
>Hello,
>
>Marianne Bröcker's book is still available at Kurt Reichmann; contact:
>natalia.issupow _at_ t-online.de.
>Some time ago Marianne spoke to me about a fully renewed, actualised edition
>of her book, but since that I didn't hear any news.
>
>Greetings from Holland,
>René Meeuws
Sorry for not being informed: What is Marianne Brocker's book?
Thanks,
Tom Kafka
Boston, Mass.
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:12:32 -0800
From: The Mackies <rwmackie _at_ telus.net>
Subject: RE: [HG] Gotschy book translation
Another idea is to acquire the book, then scan the pages into adobe
acrobat, use the text editing tool in acrobat to bring the German
text into a .txt document, and from there go to the internet and use
one of the translation services on line such as www.babelfish.com to
roughly translate the text from German to English (or French or what
ever you wish) caption by caption, then print this in a text document
and insert them near the original German texts in the book.
I am used to this kind of reverse engineering, actually.
Bob Mackie
Revelstoke BC Canada
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:33:08 +0100
From: Pieter Lambrechts <pieter.lambrechts _at_ skynet.be>
Subject: RE: [HG] Gotschy book translation
Hi Bob,
I'm afraid the quality of these internet translation services really is
below acceptable level.
There's plenty of people on the list who speak both English and
(sufficient) German. They'll do a better job of translating than babelfish can.
Hereby I volunteer to proofread any of the translated chapters. I speak
(and read) both English and German more or less fluent (although I only
speak German in the context of my job).
I really think the translation is a good idea and want to thank Mr Gotschy
for letting us share this information.
best regards,
Pieter Lambrechts
Leuven, Belgium
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:09:21 -0500
From: Matthew Szostak <gurdy _at_ midcoast.com>
Subject: Boudet HG on ebay (was Re: [HG] Susann Palmer Book)
At 03:02 PM 2/11/03 -0800, you wrote:
>Also, I noticed that there is the nicest looking
>French Vielle (by Boudet) I have ever seen for sale on
>Ebay. You can see for yourself at:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2507171076&category=623
>
>Enjoy,
>
>
>
>=====
>David Smith
>Dearborn, Michigan USA
Hmm. Kentucky...
$25 for shipping/insurance/packing costs? Does this sound feasible? Or
remotely safe? <g>
~ Matt
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:19:01 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: Boudet HG on ebay (was Re: [HG] Susann Palmer Book)
>$25 for shipping/insurance/packing costs? Does this sound feasible? Or
>remotely safe? <g>
Not in our book. Crating and shipping usually run $70-$150, depending on
the location. At this time of year we ship 2-day air so it doesn't sit in
a freezing truck for 4 days crossing the Midwest.
Alden
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:06:10 EST
From: MLigett _at_ aol.com
Subject: [HG] Boudet Shipping/Packing/Costs
A gentleman on this HG list questioned our estimate of $25.00 for
shipping/packing/insurance on the Boudet HG we have advertised on
Ebay. Obviously, it will be much more than that! I need to check the
advertisement again. We intended to write the following:
"High bidder will add $25.00 TOWARD shipping/handling/insurance" which I
thought would imply that we would take care of all additional costs,
which is our intention.
Sincerely,
Brother Mark
Holy Trinity Monastery
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:13:35 EST
From: MLigett _at_ aol.com
Subject: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy shipping costs
Dear friends on the HG list,
I would be most grateful if folks would stop bombarding me with letters
about my unfair shipping costs on the HG we have for sale on eBay! I've
gotten repeated letters now that we are charging way to little for
shipping!!! I thought I explained this in a letter earlier, but will do
so again...
We decided to simply ask for $25.00 to go TOWARD the cost of shipping,
with the understanding that we would pay the rest.
In response to Alden's comments, we definitely would not ship this
instrument (or any instrument) during the most extreme of cold, and would
want to make sure it was above freezing when shipment occurs. Plus it
was our intention to ship UPS AIR, with 2-day service.
In defense of myself---I'm not an idiot about all of this, believe me!
I've played the organ and harpsichord and dulcimer for over 30 years and
have occasion to ship harpsichords and dulcimers all over the world---and
so we are familiar with costs, temperatures, etc...
Now excuse me while I limp away once again after being bombarded with
"mean mail"!!! :-)
Brother Mark
Holy Trinity Monastery
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:22:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] 20 foot root? WAS: Hg & modern dance
Hey David.
Sounds like a fun project, good on you.
--- David Echelard <echelard _at_ hbci.com> wrote:
> The piece also incorporates a 20 foot root, from a
> tree.
> Its another first for me ....
Yeah me too! <g> How do you play root? Do you bang it, or strum it, or
whip it around, or flail the ground, or what?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Roy T.
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:50:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Brocker book.
--- kafka _at_ tuhep3.phy.tufts.edu wrote:
> Sorry for not being informed: What is Marianne Brocker's book?
> Thanks,
> Tom Kafka
> Boston, Mass.
Dr. Brocker's Book is an exhaustive (2 volume) German Language
treatment of the HG.
We had a project a few years back of translating and/or editing an
earlier translation of work. The already translated parts (surely a
rough draft) were on murky (non-scannable)photocopy and needed to be
handtyped. The final result exists in the OTWHGA library. If you make
it to the festival this year I'll be happy to point it out to you.
There was some talk about posting it on the web, but I'm unaware if
that ever happened. I'm sure that if it has been posted, Someone should
be able to tell us.
Hope that helps.
Roy T.
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:19:09 -0500
From: "Smishkewych, Wolodymyr" <wjsmishk _at_ indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: [HG] Brocker book.
Yes, I remember some postings about the Broecker. I even remember,
someone, either here or elsewhere, mentioned there were a number of
errors or inconsistencies in the book-it would be interesting to know if
this is the case, and what these might be if so.
Vlad
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wolodymyr Joseph Smishkewych
Departmental Administrative Assistant
Department of Voice
Indiana University School of Music
Merrill Hall 105
Bloomington, IN 47401
Tel: +1 (812) 855 2057
Fax: +1 (812) 855 4936
voicedep _at_ indiana.edu
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:33:53 +0100
From: René Meeuws <meeuws _at_ msmp.demon.nl>
Subject: Re: [HG] Susann Palmer Book
Dr. Marianne Bröcker wrote a thesis about the hurdy gurdy in the seventies.
It became the mother of all publications about the instrument and it still
is!
René Meeuws
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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:31:35 +0100
From: Marc reymen <reymen _at_ pandora.be>
Subject: Re: [HG] Susann Palmer Book
> hello,
> do you have an email from Marianne?
> i'd like to kontakt her..
> Marc
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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 08:16:24 -0500
From: Matthew Szostak <gurdy _at_ midcoast.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Hurdy Gurdy shipping costs
I would like to apologize to Brother Mark for starting this foolish
discussion about shipping costs. My initial comment was not meant to be
judgmental in any way; it was just an offhanded observation. My dumb <g>
may have gone unnoticed.
That people would write to him in person complaining that his low
shipping costs are unfair is absurd. Whether there is a misunderstanding
about them is irrelevant. Read the details carefully, and contact the
seller if you have any questions. It's not rocket science...
Now let's all leave the guy alone and get back to work...
~ Matt
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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:15:09 EST
From: MLigett _at_ aol.com
Subject: [HG] Thanks, Matt...
Thanks to Matt for his comments, but no apology was necessary. I did
indeed notice the <g> but I guess others did not!
Anyway, today hurdy gurdies are the last thing on my mind as we are in
the midst of flooding. Our grounds here have been flooded as well as one
of our buildings. We had only just recovered from a major flood last
March 17th, and now here we go again. I spent most of yesterday and will
spend all of today assisting folks whose homes are right at waters edge,
as we try to move as many people as possible from their homes which
border the many streams and rivers here in the mountains of Appalachia.
Peace,
Brother Mark
P.S. I made sure my HG's are high and try...safe from harm's way!
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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:26:44 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Brocker book.
Roy said:
>There was some talk about posting it on the web, but I'm unaware if
>that ever happened. I'm sure that if it has been posted, Someone should
>be able to tell us.
The Bröcker project is still happening, as time permits. I'm close to
having a second draft of the translation of the text in a form that can be
put on the web. After that the illustrations, the photographs, the
references, the footnotes, and all that other cool stuff can be added.
Alden
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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:18:03 -0500
From: Wolodymyr Joseph Smishkewych <wjsmishk _at_ indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Brocker book.
Alden--
news on the broecker sounds wonderful! out of personal interest, are the
addenda (some new research on the HG history in spain, russia & history
of medieval sources on HG tuning) part of this 1st draft?
thanks,
vlad
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:15:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Brocker book.
No pressure from me! I really don't have time to read it anyway ;-)
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:40:22 -0500
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Brocker book.
The real problem with this discussion, Roy, is that
Alden's time does NOT permit.
Trust me on that one!
judith
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:01:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Brocker book.
Like I sed ... ;-)
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:01:38 -0500
From: Alison Gowan <acgowan _at_ cogeco.ca>
Subject: RE: [HG]humidity problems.
I am new to Southern Ontario and it's cold dry air problems for
instruments. I just bought a humidifier for my double bass and I was
wondering what others do about this problem for hurdies.
I won't be getting my hurdy until summer when the exact reverse
problem will be in effect, the hohe hurdy gurdy like
any other wooden string instrument. The only difference is that the
sound will be affected bevore irreversible damage is done. So if you
keep the instrument under reasonable conditions: 15 to 30°C and 40 to
70% relative humidity it will sound ok and last.
Do not expect it to make good sound under conditions you would never
accept for a violin or your double bass. Use a well isolated case or bag
and eventually a humidifying tube as recomended for other string
instruments. Eventually carry a hygrometer inside the case. Never leave
the instrument in your car, or in the bright sunshine.
so, nothing new.
regards,
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:53:22 -0500
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: [HG] Simon says....
Simon says: "Use a well isolated case"
I think he means "insulated."
judith
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:21:20 -0500
From: Timothy S. Hall <hallt _at_ louisville.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Simon says....
Aren't most HG players in North America well isolated cases?
Tim
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:01:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Alden Hackmann <darkstar _at_ u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Simon says....
> Aren't most HG players in North America well isolated cases?
Not in the Pacific Northwest - but of course we're lucky. ;-)
Alden
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:00:37 -0500
From: Matthew Szostak <gurdy _at_ midcoast.com>
Subject: Re: [HG]humidity problems.
Alison, the dryness Simon mentions is the thing to watch out for. If your
hurdy-gurdy is being made in a typically damp climate, then you can expect
it to suffer when subjected to its first Ontario winter. I know of someone
in New England who bought a hurdy-gurdy that was built in the summer damp
in England. It arrived at its new home in early winter, and cracks in the
soundboard opened up everywhere, some as wide as 2mm.
Find out from the maker about what humidity level the instrument was made
at, and do your best to keep it there...
~ Matt
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7 Grove Street
Camden, Maine 04843
phone: 207-236-9576
email: gurdy _at_ midcoast.com
website: http://www.midcoast.com/~beechhil/vielle
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 00:06:59 +0100
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] Simon says....
Hello,
Judith Lindenau wrote:
> Simon says: "Use a well isolated case"
> I think he means "insulated."
Thanks, Judith you are right. Just a german term infiltrating my
english, sorry.
Simon
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:01:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy Trotter <rtlhf _at_ yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [HG]WAS: humidity problems, NOW: Lame Joke
--- Alison Gowan <acgowan _at_ cogeco.ca> wrote:
> I am new to Southern Ontario and it's cold dry air problems for
> instruments. I just bought a humidifier for my double bass and I was
> wondering what others do about this problem for hurdies.
>
> I won't be getting my hurdy until summer when the exact reverse
> problem will be in effect, the hot and humid summer temperatures
> here.
Well, since Spanish Cedar is best known for Cigar Humidors, wouldn't a
gurdy made of this wood be OK if you kept it warm? ;-)
(LOL)
Roy T.
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 06:43:10 -0000
From: Ruth Bramley <ruthbramley _at_ btinternet.com>
Subject: [HG] Trying to find a book
I'm trying to obtain "Musique en duo pour vielle ŕ roue", by Guy Casteuble,
vols 1 and 2. The publishers, J M Fuzeau, tell me that they are out of
print. Does anyone know where I might get hold of copies of these books?
Thanks
Ruthie
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:25:43 +0000
From: richard.lewis _at_ bookseller.co.uk
Subject: Re: [HG]humidity problems.
I want to take my HG to a festival in summer. Since we're talking about
England this means it could be hot and sunny or it could pour with rain. We
may also be in a tent on wet, dewy grass and it could alternate sharply
between that atmosphere and a hot dry pub. I haven't had it long so this
would be its first outing. I have a soft case. Any advice?
Richard Lewis
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:49:46 -0500
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Simon says....
Well, it COULD have been a Freudian slip....
judith
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hg _at_ hurdygurdy.com [mailto:owner-hg _at_ hurdygurdy.com]On Behalf
Of Simon Wascher
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [HG] Simon says....
Hello,
Judith Lindenau wrote:
> Simon says: "Use a well isolated case"
> I think he means "insulated."
Thanks, Judith you are right. Just a german term infiltrating my
english, sorry.
Simon
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:54:33 -0500
From: Arle Lommel <arle _at_ lisa.org>
Subject: Re: [HG] Simon says....
How many HG players should be well isolated? ;-)
Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com> scripsit
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:06:54 -0000
From: hurdy.gurdy <hurdy.gurdy _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [HG]humidity problems.
A reputable maker should build the instrument in a humidity controlled
environment - here in England, dehumidifiers are essential if building is
not going to be restricted to about one week a year .
An average humidity of 55% is what I keep the shop at and my timbers are
stored in a separate room at around 45%.
Keeping the gurdy in an over damp condition will do little permanent harm
although it is possible the keys could warp and twist.
The most common problem arising from damp conditions is the swelling of the
soundboard which raises the bridge away from the wheel.
Last year at St. Chartier, it all went strangely quiet after the spell of
heavy rain sent humidity sky high. The solution is to cut the bridge slot a
few thou deeper to get the tone back and then pack a bit of paper under the
string when things are drier.
My experience of English pubs suggests the humidity is usually quite high
unless you sit right by the fireplace.
Neil
hurdygurdy _at_ onetel.net.uk
www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:49:54 +0000
From: richard.lewis _at_ bookseller.co.uk
Subject: RE: [HG] Simon says....
"Well, it COULD have been a Freudian slip...."
No, I think it was an isloated case . . .
Richard Lewis
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:22:17 +0100
From: Helmut Gotschy <Helmut.Gotschy _at_ t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [HG] Simon says....
Hi folks,
The German language has only one word for isolated and insulated:
"isoliert", that's all.
Keep yourself warm
Helmut
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 18:41:19 +0100
From: Marc reymen <reymen _at_ pandora.be>
Subject: Re: [HG] Off topic. Film on nyckelharpa building
I'm interested
How can I get a copy?
Marc
reymen _at_ pandora.be
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:48:51 +0100
From: René Meeuws <meeuws _at_ msmp.demon.nl>
Subject: [HG] Weekend in Holland
The dutch hurdy gurdy and bagpipe association (Stichting Draailier en
Doedelzak) organises the 12th and 13th april a weekend for i.o. hurdy gurdy
players. There will be lessons for beginners (by Arina Stam), for average
level (Gaby Schreiner) and for advanced players (by myself). In the last
group we work together (with other instruments) on themes from the original
Carmina Burana.
Further there will be three classes for bagpipe players (by Frans Hattink,
Judica Lookman and Wim Poesen), and there's a dance workshop (by Aly Bols
and Wim Dictus).
Informations on our site www.antenna.nl/draailier-doedelzak/. I can send a
subscription formular to interested persons.
Greetings from Holland,
René Meeuws
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:10:57 -0800
From: SB/JW <duodrone _at_ earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Off topic. Film on nyckelharpa building
Hi Marc
Go to this website: www.ritaleydon.com. It should have instructions on
how to order.
Groetjes,
Juan
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:57:50 -0800
From: Ian Clemons <ethelmark _at_ hotmail.com>
Hello.
I'm new to the list and wanted to just make sure it's working! I've become
very interested in the Hurdy-Gurdy over the last year and was pleased to see
a list devoted to it. I've thoroughly explored what the Web has to offer in
terms of info on the HG, but I'd like to hear it more. Is there anyone on
the list living in the area of Portland, Oregon? I'm coming close to taking
the plunge and investing in an instrument, but I'd like to pick the brain of
a local player and see if it's something I really REALLY want to do!
Anyway, I'm glad to be part of the list and you can expect my contrite input
now and again!
Sincerely,
Ian Clemons
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:25:11 -0700
From: bbc0 <bbc0 _at_ telusplanet.net>
Subject: [HG] Re:
Welcome Ian
Barry
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 23:06:47 -0800
From: Jay <jghof _at_ centurytel.net>
Subject: [HG] RE:
Ian'
Welcome. I am a short timer, have my own instrument and live near
Portland, Oregon. Perhaps we could correspond. jghof _at_ centurytel.net
Jay
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:01:10 +0000
From: Matthew Williams <mattwill75 _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Weekend in Holland
Beste René,
Herlas, die keer kan ik niet komen. Ik heb een belangrijke aanstelling
in Norfolk op de Zondag. Over dit ben ik heel treurig.
Zo, tot herfst....
Matthew Williams
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:35:14 +0100
From: Petra Kühmichel <Petra.Kuehmichel _at_ t-online.de>
Subject: AW: [HG]humidity problems.
Hi,
as far as I know and as to my experience 55-60% humidity are fine for
(nearly?!) all kind of instruments.
A baroque cello player showed me a trick to achieve the right humidity
inside the case:
You can buy a certain kind of plastic tube with little holes and some kind
of material ( cotton?) inside at your luthier.
You fill some water in and lay it in your case. The water will slowly
evaporate and keep the case humid enough inside.
The cello player even put the tube into the soundhole.
Sorry, but I don`t really know the name of this "magic tube". A luthier will
certainly know about it.
All the best
Petra
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:10:26 -0500
From: Cathy Moore <cathy _at_ cathy-moore.com>
Subject: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
It sounds like you're describing a Damp-It (I think that's what
they're called). They come in several sizes. You soak them in water,
then pop them in the soundhole or just put them in the case.
>You can buy a certain kind of plastic tube with little holes and some kind
>of material ( cotton?) inside at your luthier.
>You fill some water in and lay it in your case. The water will slowly
>evaporate and keep the case humid enough inside.
>The cello player even put the tube into the soundhole.
>Sorry, but I don`t really know the name of this "magic tube". A luthier will
>certainly know about it.
>
>All the best
>Petra
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:08:43 -0500
From: Alison Gowan <acgowan _at_ cogeco.ca>
Subject: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
Thanks,
Yes, I use a Damp-it in my bass, and from all the advice, it sounds
as though I should just treat the hurdy-gurdy as I do my other
instruments in the winter here.
Thanks so much for the feed-back.
Cheers, Alison
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:13:56 -0800
From: John Woosley <johnwoosley _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: [HG] Re: Portland HG
Hello Ian,
Welcome to the list. I'm in NE Portland, have an instrument, and you can
pick my brain anytime (or what's left of it). johnnie23 _at_ earthlink.net.
Best to all,
John
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:42:11 -0800
From: Anna Peekstok <apeekstok _at_ attbi.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
On 2/23/03 12:08 PM, Alison Gowan wrote:
> Yes, I use a Damp-it in my bass, and from all the advice, it sounds
> as though I should just treat the hurdy-gurdy as I do my other
> instruments in the winter here.
Damp-its saved my bacon on tour in Southern California a few years back,
when it got so dry the tangents on my Seattle-based HG went completely loose
in the keys and would just flop over when pressed against the string. Very
disconcerting (pun intended)!
Anna
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:15:21 -0800
From: Joan D'Andrea <jeepstr42 _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: Friction peg thread
Hi. The thread that goes from my friction tuning peg to the dog string
has broken. What is the best thread to use to replace this string? The
old thread look likeit is silk.
Thanks, Joan
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:11:07 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: Friction peg thread
For the tirant, we use silk embroidery floss, which we get at the Weaving
Works in the U. District in Seattle. In a pinch, one can use dental floss,
a classical guitar string (though it may prove difficult to get in the
slot) or even heavy sewing thread. The silk is our favorite because of its
high strength to weight ratio.
Alden
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:24:07 +0100
From: Helmut Gotschy <Helmut.Gotschy _at_ t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: Friction peg thread
Hi Joan,
I use fishing (or any nylon line) line with a diameter ca. 0,30mm. It is
strong, light and doesn't stretch.
Helmut
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:53:54 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
In really dry climates, sometimes the only solution is to keep the HG in a
giant Zip-Lok (TM) bag with a humidity source every moment it's not being
played. ;-)
Alden "Honey, I couldn't find the 50-gallon Zip-Loks at the store" Hackmann
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:04:52 -1000
From: Don Lax <donvlax _at_ maui.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
What about REALLY HUMID climates???
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:18:07 +0100
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
Don Lax wrote:
>
> What about REALLY HUMID climates???
hurdy gurdys get tested regulary at a special extreme climate testing
area in the departement d'Indre in France every summer. They get played
uninteruppted for about 85 hours at changing temperatures from 5 to 40°C
at humidities from 25% to 100% and under all weather conditions from
dusty wind to fog, direct sunshine, thunderstorms, temperatures close to
frost.
So one of the advantages of a good hurdy gurdy is that it does survive
all these calamities. Nevertheless, that is not what musical instruments
are made for.
Yust obey one rule: Do not expose (abandon :o) ) your instrument to
circumstances you are not willing to bear yourself (If you need a warm
jacket your gurdy needs one too. If its so hot and humid that you start
looking for places witch offer aircondition...).
regards,
Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:24:42 -1000
From: Don Lax <donvlax _at_ maui.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
Thanks Simon-
That was actually my solution. First, when the HG arrived new from
Germany, I had to slightly file out the holes for all the keys. Since
then I have kept the HG in an
air-conditioned room, with dehumidifier packets in the case. So if I
take it out into the damp hot world of Maui, it lasts at least some
hours before everything starts to stick. It's definitely happiest here
in the cool room where it lives.
Aloha-
Don
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:27:04 +0100
From: Helmut Gotschy <Helmut.Gotschy _at_ t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
Hi Don,
maybe I should add a humidity-valve into the gurdies which go to Hawaii,
like on a trombone:
Turn it and let the water run out ;-§
Finally it gets warmer and the snow is melting, so I can stop to blow
humidity into my workshop, 10 ltr a day!!!
Aloah
Helmut
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:50:59 -1000
From: Don Lax <donvlax _at_ maui.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
So how about Next March for an HG festival on Maui? That gives us a
year to get ready...
Don
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:58:58 -0500
From: Judith Lindenau <judith _at_ taar.com>
Subject: RE: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
I am ready NOW!
judith
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:09:38 -0800
From: Alden & Cali Hackmann <hurdy _at_ silverlink.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
>Finally it gets warmer and the snow is melting, so I can stop to blow
>humidity into my workshop, 10 ltr a day!!!
We've got plenty of moisture at this time of year. Perhaps we need an
International Hurdy-gurdy Shop Moisture Exchange Program - a small pipe
running from our shop to yours. ;-)
Alden
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:13:44 -0800
From: Joan D'Andrea <jeepstr42 _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
I know this sounds gross, but I suggest you try a hospital supply store
or an outlet for mortuary supplies. They should have body bags in the
correct size. Joan
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:46:57 +0100
From: Simon Wascher <simon.wascher _at_ chello.at>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
Joan D'Andrea wrote:
>
> I know this sounds gross, but I suggest you try a hospital supply
> store or an outlet for mortuary supplies. They should have body bags
> in the correct size. Joan
maybe the undertakers showroom would be a fine place to look for well
isolated cases ;-)
S.
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:24:10 -0000
From: Colin Hill <c.hl _at_ virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
That should be fun at the airport - no honestly, it's a musical
instrument.............
Colin Hill
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:48:51 -0800
From: Ian Clemons <ethelmark _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: [HG] HG experience
Where else to find an interested audience for this little story but here?
My sister recently married into a 1st and 2nd generation Hungarian family in
a little village south of Mendocino, California. Father Tibor is quite a
dancer and my sister wanted to have some traditional dancing at her wedding.
I brought my fiddle for the rehearsal dinner party, but Breton An Dros
didn't blend very well with his Hungarian footwork! As luck would have it,
there is a community of traditional Hungarian Musicians in Mendocino, about
45 minutes away! They were able to get a father and son team to come down
and perform on the Big Day (yes, my fiddle was in the trunk in case of a
no-show!). The Dad played a set of bagpipes with 2 drones, the bass ended
in a curved goat's horn, the treble in a carved wooden goat's head, and the
bag was replete with the poor thing's fur. He dated it about 200 years old
(my father's father's father's, etc.). His son had none of his Dad's accent
and looked a little embarassed to be backing him up on a Hurdy-Gurdy
(instead of, say, a Gibson axe or something). It was from Hungary on loan
and had been for the last 20 years or so. It had one melody string, one
bass drone and one, er, higher drone (sorry don't know the lingo yet). Son
mostly provided back-up and rhythmic accompanyment while Dad held down the
melody. The sound together was great and the poor kid had to put up with
all my aunts and little cousins peppering him about the instrument (not that
I did...). A memorable event; my teeth vibrated for days!
I've seen some old black and white photos of Pipes/HG combinations in
France. Is that a pretty traditional set-up? The combined drone of the 2
was awe inspiring, but the pipes definitely won when it came to the tunes
where they played unison melody. I've also noticed that many HGs have 2
melody strings and more drones - are the drones on these all on the same
note or at intervals? I see Olympic makes an HG with a similar set-up.
Does anyone play one of these? What do you think compared to full-size?
-Ian
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:58:46 -0500
From: Wolodymyr Joseph Smishkewych <wjsmishk _at_ indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: humidity problems/drone question
Especially trying to explain away the shrunken head on the top of the pegbox...
on another note: regarding part of Ian's drone question, many/most HGs have
2 strings or more; when 2 they are usually tuned in unison. Hungarian HGs
(tekerölant), as most Eastern European HGs, generally have one melody string--
though I own a set of plans for a tekerö with 2! HGs from other places, like
Spain or Portugal, have 3 and even 4 strings placed as melody strings. In Spain
these are usually 2 in unison and one an octave below the 2; the fourth string
tending to be a drone string placed in the pegbox, or another string in unison
with the lower octave melody string. Less frequently, the strings are an octave
apart with a fifth in between, allowing for funky organum-like stuff. then there
are folks like Gilles Chabenat or Rafa Martin, whose specialized HGs with
experimental string placements, fretted drone fingerboards etc, have 3-4 melody
strings and umpteen drone strings (11 on Gilles'?)...
good times,
Vlad
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:05:39 -0500
From: Arle Lommel <arle _at_ lisa.org>
Subject: Re: [HG] HG experience
I see Vlad beat me to the answer on this one. Yes, traditionally the tekerő
has only three strings, exactly as described. Four (with a doubled melody
string) is quite common, and five (doubled tenor drone as well as doubled
melody) also turns up, although infrequently.
Tekerő and duda (bagpipe) has become a common combo recently, but usually
just as you describe - with the HG providing mostly drone and rhythm -
bagpipes, especially ones of the Hungarian duda type, being rather difficult
to accurately tune/intone with other similar instruments. As near as I can
tell, the two were not commonly played together in Hungary prior to the folk
revival that started in the 1960s, but a lot of non-traditional things were
done in the folk revival because suddenly the musicians had mobility and
means to learn from various regions and combine instruments and influences
in new ways - they were no longer limited (some might say grounded though)
to what was present in a thirty mile radius or so of home.
That said, in the renaissance Hungarian pipers were well known. There are
records of the French court requesting that King Matthias Corvinus send
pipers for entertainment. Unfortunately we don't know what sort of pipes
were played and if they had anything to do with modern Hungarian pipes.
As another note, duda was THE traditional instrument in villages for
weddings for many, many years, and only died out as a living tradition in
most of Hungary in the early 20th century (although it declined in
importance as a pastoral economy did, so it had been on its way out since
the mid 1800s). The present usage of duda and of tekerő in Hungary is a
revival, but it sounds as if your piper comes from something that was alive
before the tradition vanished in most of Hungary. At least his pipe dates
from before that in any event. So you were likely treated to the really
traditional village experience of the lakodalmas (roughly translated as
feast or celebration), at least in terms of music.
I envy you your experience. Mendecino is something of a hotbed for Hungarian
music, due to a strong community with continuing ties to Hungary and the
presence of at least one active bagpipe maker (Ferenc Tobak).
Best,
Arle
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:14:17 -0800
From: Joan D'Andrea <jeepstr42 _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
Hi simon. Great reply. Unlike many souls the Buddhist side of me makes
me sit on the proverbial funeral fire or meditate at the charnel
grounds more than once....:-)....so I will have no excuse when I pass
over. By the way exactly how do you interpret schwindelig? Joan
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:16:40 -0800
From: Joan D'Andrea <jeepstr42 _at_ hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HG] Re: humidity problems.
well, they do call them coffin cases. :-( Joan
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